One Last Sincere Topic

[Dennis]

Of course, and its easy for people to miss it, but for those who knew, its was like freaking hysterical, that song was written for a sex scene in a sauna for a Swedish Film called, Svezia, inferno e paradiso (Sweden: Heaven and Hell) (1968).  And the correct spelling is, "Mah Nà Mah Nà"

Cool. I did not know that. And Cindy was pretty close on the spelling.

Dennis

[Dennis]

yeah. I took it to be directed at the writer rather than the reader or listener.

I just like to remind people everyone is different.

I'm not.

Dennis

I'm afraid I'm going to be reduced to using lawerly logic by pointing out that if you're not different, then you're the same as everyone else. But if everyone else is different then, being like everyone else, you're different too.

heh heh

True. I stole it shamelessly from Monty Python Life of Brian:

Brian to crowd: "You are all unique"

Single voice in crowd: "I'm not"

Dennis

[NicholeW.]

True. I stole it shamelessly from Monty Python Life of Brian:

Brian to crowd: "You are all unique"

Single voice in crowd: "I'm not"

Dennis

Why does it come as no surprise that a lawyer might just steal something? 

[Dennis]

Law is just about the only endeavour I can think of where you get bonus points for showing that someone else thought of it first (using precedent).

Dennis

[cindybc]

Pretty well every concept you can come up with originates from thoughts and concepts by some previous author or authors thoughts either by word of mouth or written. Everything we think and say came from previous concepts either taught or learned from someone else which was put to memory. We only word these memories or thoughts differently to illustrate our own concepts. In that sense nothing is truly original, easy to see where a lawyer who is well versed philosophically could have some fun. Did that make sense?

Cindy

[cindybc]

Hi Nichol hon
Here is something that may be of some help in understanding the Oneness and the holographic universe. I have lots more of this this information saved up in my hardrive. Goodness it's so much easier to save up information on a computer then it was all those books. But books go into so much more detail. I believe Amazon a lot if not all those type of books like *The Grand Illusion* which was another that blew me away when I first read it.

The Universe as a Hologram
Author unknown
Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm?

In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.

Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.

Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

[RebeccaFog]

yeah. I took it to be directed at the writer rather than the reader or listener.

I just like to remind people everyone is different.

I'm not.

Dennis

I'm afraid I'm going to be reduced to using lawerly logic by pointing out that if you're not different, then you're the same as everyone else. But if everyone else is different then, being like everyone else, you're different too.

heh heh

True. I stole it shamelessly from Monty Python Life of Brian:

Brian to crowd: "You are all unique"

Single voice in crowd: "I'm not"

Dennis

I totally forgot that.

[NicholeW.]

The simultaneously changed spin of electrons across distance and instantaneously that have been in-touch with one another is actually pretty -- well -- old news to be honest, Cindy. It may change science in a lot of ways, or we may find that whatever thoughts and technology we have now cannot make use of that instantaneous communicative ability at all.

So far, the only things I've heard of it being applied to theoretically are a) artificial intelligence theoretical possibilities and b) explanations for telepathy. Nothing yet has been "done" with either.

So, for now the implications are pretty well non-existent. Although the experiment was interesting.   

[cindybc]

Here are a couple more Youube links.

Greg Braden - The Matrix of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI3jzgaKV8Q&feature=related

The Holographic Nature of The Universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXBnrLPVTVY&feature=related

Cindy

[Sephirah]

David Icke has been saying that for years. But then he also says that Earth is actually ruled by a secret group of alien, shapeshifting lizards...

[Sandy]

The simultaneously changed spin of electrons across distance and instantaneously that have been in-touch with one another is actually pretty -- well -- old news to be honest, Cindy. It may change science in a lot of ways, or we may find that whatever thoughts and technology we have now cannot make use of that instantaneous communicative ability at all.

So far, the only things I've heard of it being applied to theoretically are a) artificial intelligence theoretical possibilities and b) explanations for telepathy. Nothing yet has been "done" with either.

So, for now the implications are pretty well non-existent. Although the experiment was interesting.

Well there have been some interesting thought experiments applied to quantum teleportation and quantum cryptography.  Both of which, while relying on quantum "strangeness" to operate, still require "information" to travel at the speed of light, so that causality is not violated.

However just a few years ago, there was a scientist who was able to send information from one point to another using quantum strangeness without having to worry about violation of causality, in effect send information faster than the speed of light.  To prove the process, he supposedly played music through the channel and it transmitted from one end to another and understandable music came out the other end.

Now the distance between the two point was just a few meters but he was able to measure the speed at which the signal pass through the device and it was several times the speed of light.

To my knowledge this experiment has not been duplicated.  But I haven't looked recently.

Next we take on FTL transportation using the Alcubierre warp drive!

-Sandy

[cindybc]

Hi Nichole, it's a fairly new science though, isn't it? 20 years ago most of these notions would have been thought as the ravings of a lunatic, or "Burn the witch for her blasphemy!" Well, back in the 1800's anyway.

Granted, I agree that a lot of bunk has followed up behind these new, wonderful, enlightening ideas and theories of the merging of science and metaphysics = quantum physics and eventually the merger of all wisdom = MAJIC. Well not that far fetched considering what the ancient were once capable of doing. But then the great illusion prevents us from seeing what's truly behind the scenes.

Well whether it be sci fi, old wives tails, mythology, legend, traditions, urban legend, fantasy, folk lore, etc etc, even these have some origin in truth, some phenomena that certainly had the attention of the ancient.  Anyway if nothing else it makes for some pretty good educational entertainment, and I thank you for obliging.

Cindy

 

[Sandy]

Hi Nichole, it's a fairly new science though, isn't it? 20 years ago most of these notions would have been thought as the ravings of a lunatic, or "Burn the witch for her blasphemy!" Well, back in the 1800's anyway.

Granted, I agree that a lot of bunk has followed up behind these new, wonderful, enlightening ideas and theories of the merging of science and metaphysics = quantum physics and eventually the merger of all wisdom = MAJIC. Well not that far fetched considering what the ancient were once capable of doing. But then the great illusion prevents us from seeing what's truly behind the scenes.

Well whether it be sci fi, old wives tails, mythology, legend, traditions, urban legend, fantasy, folk lore, etc etc, even these have some origin in truth, some phenomena that certainly had the attention of the ancient.  Anyway if nothing else it makes for some pretty good educational entertainment, and I thank you for obliging.

Cindy

Well, quantum mechanics has been around since the 1930's or thereabouts, so relatively speaking you could say it is somewhat new.  But the Copenhagen interpretation and the other quantum interpretations, such as many worlds and sum over histories are well known.

You could say that holographic universe and other preternatural or "new age" views of reality are newer interpretations of quantum mechanics, but they haven't been submitted to scientific scrutiny.

This doesn't invalidate them, it just means that they haven't been evaluated.

-Sandy

[Pica Pica]

David Icke has been saying that for years. But then he also says that Earth is actually ruled by a secret group of alien, shapeshifting lizards...

Who'd have thought that the new son of god was a coventry FC goalkeeper? And that god's favourite colour was turquoise, coventry's home colour. You'd think they'd be doing better, wouldn't you?

[cindybc]

Right on Kassandra, quantum physics has been an actual scientific study since 1930's but was not that well known until just recent years.

Just like physesists now do much referring of the Qabalah for mathematical formulas  equations and codes documented and recored within this ancient text which actualy deals with quantum physics and the study and measuring of astronomical space time distances such as parsecs. All is like a mathmatical equation where you have a set of counting numbers are without end.

Here are two notes I composed 12 or so years ago.

Eternal Thought

All material things, the universe, the world even our bodies maybe eternal thought expressed in time and space. The more the physicists and astronomers reduce matter. The more it becomes a mathematical formula, which is thought.

In the final analysis mater and energy is thought. When eternal thought expresses itself within the frame work of time and space it becomes matter and energy.

Our thoughts within the box of time and space cannot know anything first hand except material things. But we can deduce the box of time and space is eternal thought. 

Anyone can make a theory from any observation a theory only means =  a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

David Ike's or Art Bell's Big olive shaped eyed aliens and reptilians not with standing, light beings angels, fire eating dragons and knights in shining armor coming to the rescue of the damsel in distress in the tower of the floating castle in the clouds. Giant thunderbirds that can turn the sky from daylight to darkness at high noon and things that go bump in the dark.

Maybe those things are interdimensional beings or maybe just figments of our own imagination manifested into reality with our own minds. Also how many planets are there out there that can bear and suport life then how about parallel universes?

Space time

We can not fully understand the universe. The simple fact is that is that we cannot define space time.  They are both boundless, in spite of all we can do to limit them.

We live in a small pocket of time and space, which we have manifest by our own minds and on that depends all our own so called knowledge of the universe.

The simple fact is that we can never know all things, nor are we made to know it in one life time.

     

[NicholeW.]

Naw, I don't think that the quantum physicists would have been burnt in the 1950s. Many of the worked for the USA govt and they weren't the focus of McCarthy era hunts either. Think about it, they were discussing all sorts of quantum and relativity problems, including the one Kassandra mentioned about causality and information transfer in the 40s and 50s at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton.

Lots of folk knew about the work and a lot could understand it. The notion that it was/is arcane beyond all belief was mostly an invention of the press with, I imagine, the open approval and perhaps the active insistence of the government so people would believe it was too arcane for the unstudied to even get a flavor for. A notion that continues to today.

But there were books being published for the regular reader in the 60s that were basically popularizations of quantum mechanics and relativity theories, Cindy. Check out Physics for Poets and see when it was first published. I'm pretty sure it was in my undergrad library by 1970.

I dunno, but I am thinking that there are prolly way more than two or three of us on this board who have worked in way way or another with a number of the applications of quantum mechanics, Planck preceded Einstein so were talking two centuries ago now, in the 1800s.

[RebeccaFog]

Hey.  Who invited the brainiacs to this thread?   

[cindybc]

I know, I believe when the notion of quantum physics hit the press and became more known publicly it was the result of an unfortunate, disastrous, experimental accident, The Philadelphia Experiment, which I believe took place around 1943.

This very same experiment in invisibility by moving a solid object from point A to point B by moving it interdimensionally or by remote viewing, was later resumed at Montauk, Long Island somewhere, in the 60's. What happened there was never released until just recent years.

Got some other enthusiasts of physics, science, The holographic Universe, the grand illusion, the empty atom, and the oneness of all things theories.

By all means, invite them here while this discussion is still hot. I have tried to engage folks in these kinds of discussions before but didn't get very many bites. There is a reason I am interested in introducing this subject to folks here because I strongly believe it could help us to have a better understanding of ourselves.

Cindy

[tekla]

There is no objective scientific or historical evidence of this event (P.E.).  What Tesla was up to in Montauk was most likely psy-ops, using radio waves to disrupt people' mental functions, rather than hyper-space time travel.  But, since Tesla wrote in a very obscure dialect of Croat, no one has been able to translate the notes, which in any case, are impossible to find.  Montauk by the way, is now a park, and open to the public, with the exception of the radar tower.

[NicholeW.]

I'd suggest a good read of Umberto Eco's, Foucault's Pendulum, for the entire flavor of that sort (PE) research. Or, maybe either Schroedinger's Cat or Illuminatus! by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. I think all three give a good flavor of some of the more arcane and unpublicized studies and findings about such matters to date.

Very enjoyable reads. I imagine even tekla will like them.

Nichole