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Started by Zelane, January 12, 2009, 09:19:34 PM

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Zelane

This topic might enrage some with the title or the things I will say.


I have seen some of the pictures on this site and some of the women there doesnt looj all that well (to my standards) but lets face it... the face or the body doesnt look like fitting a female.

Still, im admired that some of them even given their body circumstances and challenges can be actually happy and comfortable... Im jealous.


I have some problems with my body image (maybe its that I havent felt all ok lately) and I keep wondering how I truly look. Do I have the "Guy in Dress" syndrome? I mean do I look that bad? and then I dont realize I look that way and im eluding myself to feel comfortable?

I was looking my naked body in the mirror and I feel distress over my masculinized body... I simply hate it. I know there are other women who have bodies similar to mine or this its false and im just (again) trying to lie to myself ot avoid pain. Mostly I was looking at my pelvic area and im like... does it looks male or female or in the middle?



Well, honestly I would just love to have more auto acceptance like some of the persons here who face even more challenges than me. Sometimes it sucks to be a girl.
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Purple Pimp

I know what you mean.  Self-acceptance is definitely the key; even the most beautiful people in the world stress over their bodies and the ways that others perceive them.  Some days I feel beautiful and some days I feel, well, not.  If anyone knows any tricks, then I'd love to hear them myself, because it's a battle that I haven't completely won (but maybe it's the sort of thing that one never entirely overcomes?).

Lia
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you would do. -- Epictetus
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Janet_Girl

I don't know if you are including me in your observations or not.  But I don't care.  You want to know the secret.  It is all about self acceptance and a good attitude.

If you feel beautiful, you are beautiful.  And looks are not part of it.  Look at women who are in the world.  How many don't pass muster in your opinon.  But they think that they are beautiful in their own right.

I may not be very pretty in some eyes, or have a good figure.  But I am finally happy and that shows.  And others see that.  And that makes me pretty.  And after all, I am the one that really counts.

Janet

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Cindy

HI
I seem to keep following Janet in my posts (Hi Hun). I agree it is acceptance.

What does anyone see in a mirror? A reverse reflection of something. How many gorgeous people look in a mirror and say " I can't cope with this look".
Roger Vandim (?) married to Bridget Bardo and to Ursula Andress made the statement on TV, They were both so unhappy by how they looked in the mirror they would not go out.
Go figure

Cindy James
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heatherrose

From one Ex-bedbug to another,
You look simply MARVELOUS ;)
                                                     
                                                                         Always Love,
                                                                         Heather Rose             
"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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cyanide

i've always wondered about this as well... lately, i have become a little more confident (tho, i still don't get to go out much)... it is really hard to 'spread the confident vibe' around me so others will see me as female (i won't say "who i am" because i WANT to be female).

and, yes many here do have pass so well that i am also jelous ;') . i usually get compliments, but most of the time, i think they are trying to be nice.


now, on the topic of self-confidence. my question is that IF that is the case and concern.  if we are just who we are.. why the elaborate process to even go further.  ie  why the hormones, corsets, makeup, or whatever things you do, etc? to look..... female?
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deviousxen

I feel you on this one... I sometimes really hate those thoughts I get. It makes the prospect of going fulltime really really really scary...
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01803lpn

Janet Lynn Let me just say your picture is absolutely beautiful.  You look so vibrant and happy as well as extremely feminine.  I only hope to someday be as confident, happy and maybe even beautiful.  At least to myself.
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Janet_Girl

Thank you Christine, that is a real ego booster.

As I have always said it is all about attitude.  If you feel happy, you are happy.  If you feel like a woman, you are a woman.  If you feel you present to the world your true self, then you do present your true self.

You must feel that you are at your best, then you will be at your best.

Janet

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francoise

#9
confidence, self esteem, positive attitude, ...
and the impact it has on the way we cope with our gender issues ...

Trying to refine further, I believe in :
- living what is happening now, just now ! not in the past which is gone forever, not in the future which doesn't exist yet. It seems the only way to find inner peace, increased joy and more harmonious relationships (for those interested, I recommend to read the famous "the power of now" from Eckhart Tolle, (there are many other authors)
- love others like yourself. Meaning of course love others and be really welcoming to others, but meaning also love yourself; to do that you probably need to know yourself and truly love what you've got all the way ... which is, as we all know, a lot more difficult

since thousands of years, philosophers, spiritual and enlightened people (lately psycho guys joined too) have been searching and contributing in the awakening of people to their true life

Reading and feeling those precious works has helped me tremendously to cope so far with my gender issue; possibly, I worked hard on those deeper topics as a way to heal my gender dysphoria and find a deeper layer of myself where gender is no longer the main issue.

love from Francoise


edit - removed link
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Nigella

#10
I'm going to rock the boat here. I have a real bad thing. I don't like being with trans people who don't pass. It comes from not wanting to be seen as trans if you get want I mean. I am female.

All that I do is as a female my work, leisure activities, church, 100% is lived and accepted as female. To join in with others that look like guys in a dress is a problem for me.

Also others that I know who still have, shall I say, more maleness than femaleness find getting work and social acceptance a real problem and live on social welfare. I do feel for them, I don't want to be judgemental but society is what it is. I'm a realist and I do get fed up with people who say others look great when obviously it may at best be OK.

I also understand that someone with gender dysphoria has no choice in how they look. You are lumbered with what nature has given you and you have to work with that. My problem I think is not wanting to be included with them in public. I know this may get me some flak but I do really feel for the 15 stone biker who has GID. I also don't want to appear elitist and seem unfeeling and I may not be explaining myself very well.

For me you see, I am female and my trans nature is just the medical thing in between. I am no longer trans in my mind and body. O yes some may say different and I will always be trans and I don't pass that well either, but as far as legal, work, and life I am female so for me I am 100% female.

I'm thinking I shouldn't post this now, lol. but here goes.

Stardust
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JasmineG

I've lived my life as a female for 15 years now and counting. I started living my life as a female when I was 22 or 23 years old. There was no transition period for me. But, you know what? I'm a woman. Legally, I'm a woman. Physically, I'm a woman. Medically speaking, I'm a woman. Hormonally, I'm a woman. Who do I need to prove this too but myself?

Should I carry around my medical papers to prove that I'm a woman? Should I pull down my pants so that they see my genitalia? Should I show them my birth certificate and drivers license to prove that I'm not a man? The heck with what someone says. You don't need to surround yourself with people like this.

I don't care what someone sitting next to me thinks. Do I blend in? Do I look female enough to pass? Do they think I have big hands? Do they think I have big feet? Oh God, please don't let my cellphone ring and I have answer it in public! Look at all these people that look better than me, they all know about me. I don't pass well. I must have, "Guy in a Dress" syndrome. lol

These thoughts are not of someone that is confidence, of someone that is sure of themselves, of someone that loves themselves, or of someone that knows without a doubt that they are a woman. These thoughts come from a person that still wonders if they are a man or woman.

If your a woman, you don't need no one else to tell you, your woman.  Let's not confuse body image with a lack of self confidence. There's a difference here. It's o.k. to look in that mirror on a daily basis and say, "You know what, I don't like the way my nose looks." vs. "You what what, I think my nose makes me look like a boy."  Do you see the difference? I don't wake up thinking what body parts make me a man or woman. Nor, do I wake up wondering what someone else next to me is thinking. I don't care if they think I'm a man or woman. What matters is what I think I am. I'm woman, period and I have half my life to prove that I have lived my entire life as a woman regardless if someone at work, church sitting on a bus or sitting in a coffee house looks at me and says, "That's a man."

Are you a man or are you woman? Whichever decision you decide, start living like one and stop all this crazy talk about "Guy in a dress Syndrome."
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Chrissty

Quote from: stardust on January 23, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
I'm going to rock the boat here. I have a real bad thing. I don't like being with trans people who don't pass. It comes from not wanting to be seen as trans if you get want I mean. I am female.

All that I do is as a female my work, leisure activities, church, 100% is lived and accepted as female. To join in with others that look like guys in a dress is a problem for me.

Thank you for being honest Stardust, I can see where you are coming from and why.
I don't think I could consider starting RLT unless I was achieving a high 90% from the outset.

I've still got a lot of work to do .....
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Nero

Quote from: JasmineG on January 24, 2009, 08:09:54 AM
I've lived my life as a female for 15 years now and counting. I started living my life as a female when I was 22 or 23 years old. There was no transition period for me. But, you know what? I'm a woman. Legally, I'm a woman. Physically, I'm a woman. Medically speaking, I'm a woman. Hormonally, I'm a woman. Who do I need to prove this too but myself?

Should I carry around my medical papers to prove that I'm a woman? Should I pull down my pants so that they see my genitalia? Should I show them my birth certificate and drivers license to prove that I'm not a man? The heck with what someone says. You don't need to surround yourself with people like this.

I don't care what someone sitting next to me thinks. Do I blend in? Do I look female enough to pass? Do they think I have big hands? Do they think I have big feet? Oh God, please don't let my cellphone ring and I have answer it in public! Look at all these people that look better than me, they all know about me. I don't pass well. I must have, "Guy in a Dress" syndrome. lol

These thoughts are not of someone that is confidence, of someone that is sure of themselves, of someone that loves themselves, or of someone that knows without a doubt that they are a woman. These thoughts come from a person that still wonders if they are a man or woman.

If your a woman, you don't need no one else to tell you, your woman.  Let's not confuse body image with a lack of self confidence. There's a difference here. It's o.k. to look in that mirror on a daily basis and say, "You know what, I don't like the way my nose looks." vs. "You what what, I think my nose makes me look like a boy."  Do you see the difference? I don't wake up thinking what body parts make me a man or woman. Nor, do I wake up wondering what someone else next to me is thinking. I don't care if they think I'm a man or woman. What matters is what I think I am. I'm woman, period and I have half my life to prove that I have lived my entire life as a woman regardless if someone at work, church sitting on a bus or sitting in a coffee house looks at me and says, "That's a man."

Are you a man or are you woman? Whichever decision you decide, start living like one and stop all this crazy talk about "Guy in a dress Syndrome."

you go girl!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Laura Eva B

Quote from: stardust on January 23, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
I'm going to rock the boat here. I have a real bad thing. I don't like being with trans people who don't pass. It comes from not wanting to be seen as trans if you get want I mean. I am female.

All that I do is as a female my work, leisure activities, church, 100% is lived and accepted as female. To join in with others that look like guys in a dress is a problem for me.

Stardust ... I used to have that feeling too, to the point of paranoia.  I used to cringe when I saw an unpassable TS or TV in the mall.

Guess I would still not take an "unpassable" TS friend to a bar or restaurant where I'm very well known, if only because I couldn't face the questions about who I was with and why, and the danger that it might cast doubts to them about my own gender.

Otherwise my self-confidence has reached a stage where I do go out with friends who don't pass and it doesn't worry me at all.

A TS woman in early transition, who lives just streets away from me, I've been out with a few times to a local pub.  A guy once came up to us at our table and said to her "I followed you back from the loos, I think you're really brave and look really good !" ... he didn't even say a word to me as he would have seen me as a woman friend or partner of the "TV/TS" ...

Likewise the Trans-London Xmas meet was in a normal pub, and on arrival I chatted up a really cute guy at the bar.  Guess he must have wondered when I then went off to join the bunch of "trannies" in the far corner ... it still brings a smile to my face !

Sure I'm not embarrassed to be seen as trans by association as long as its not among people who I'm "stealth" with.

But I just have to respect the determination and bravery of women who transition knowing they'll never fully pass.

Laura x


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Nigella


Stardust ... I used to have that feeling too, to the point of paranoia.  I used to cringe when I saw an unpassable TS or TV in the mall.

Guess I would still not take an "unpassable" TS friend to a bar or restaurant where I'm very well known, if only because I couldn't face the questions about who I was with and why, and the danger that it might cast doubts to them about my own gender.

Otherwise my self-confidence has reached a stage where I do go out with friends who don't pass and it doesn't worry me at all.



Laura, I think you hit the nail on the head for me and I suppose I will have the confidence in myself to not bother about what others look like one day.
I have only been RLT since last July 2008. It is about how you view yourself I know, thanks. I still don't know even if I'd walk into a strange bar with a friend who doesn't pass that well.

A few weeks ago I was shopping with a friend and a comment was made about them from passers by and I felt for her, so its not that I don't shun my friend as I want to help them, it just shakes my confidence (What do they think about me sort of thing).

Stardust
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Robin_p

Someone said it before: "Self Acceptance"

After years of agonizing over it; I don't care too much what other think. That's what hurt me the most in my life.

Quiet Defiance gets me through the day when i have that feeling of "being a guy in dress".
Then i just Smile and BE the best Transssexual i can be at that moment!

Hugs, hon your beautiful!!!!!
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Naturally Blonde

A Forum in the U.K wouldn't be able to handle a thread like this one and it would probably be met with a backlash and a possible ban of the thread starter..

I'm glad this thread has been taken so well. There are a lot of people in the situation mentioned and it's usually down to genetic make up, the amount of exposure to testoterone and physical size etc.  If I see this type of person I have sometimes felt uncomfortable but I have to remember it's not their fault and they may not have the resourses to recieve the help they need.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Nigella

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 26, 2009, 05:38:39 AM
A Forum in the U.K wouldn't be able to handle a thread like this one and it would probably be met with a backlash and a possible ban of the thread starter..

I'm glad this thread has been taken so well. There are a lot of people in the situation mentioned and it's usually down to genetic make up, the amount of exposure to testoterone and physical size etc.  If I see this type of person I have sometimes felt uncomfortable but I have to remember it's not their fault and they may not have the resourses to recieve the help they need.

I agree NB, Susan's is great about 90% of the time and not to much upset from others. We can express ourselves within the boundaries of compassion and sisterhood. I do have a concern too coming from the UK particularly with resources and procedures. These are down to a lottery post code of where you live. Some PCT with fund some things others will not. I think it should be down to the extent of work needed being done on an individual basis. I know the NHS is strapped for cash and I am going to be controversial again. So much is spent on illness brought on by bad diet, drink and smoking and yet we didn't ask to have GID who would. Millions are spent on the treatment of the the things mentioned and yet some sex change procedures are not seen as necessary. I truly believe FFS should be added to the list as more people see your face and make an assumption than see what's in your pants.

I look at my face sometimes and think, "goodness if only I could afford to have my chin and nose done." Not a chance at the moment, lol. I can easlity get depressed and judgemental of my looks even though others think I'm silly and pass well. We all want peace and acceptance and self acceptance. Part of the self acceptance is being accepted by others for who you are instead of a guy in a dress.

Anyway better go before I get even more controversial, lol.

Thanks to Susan's place and this thread

Stardust   
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Sephirah

All I can really say about this, is that the subject title is meaningless. If you are female, no matter how you look, then you aren't a guy in anything.

It isn't self-belief. It isn't self-acceptance. It's the truth.

Don't think it, don't believe it, know it. And when you can do that, much of the heartache disappears. For others to accept you, you have to accept yourself. Otherwise you're substituting one lie for another.

Femininity and 'passing' is, in my opinion, largely dependant on who you're asking, and the truly beautiful people are the ones whose beauty comes from inside. Don't mistake shallowness and vanity for wisdom. People's opinions are just that. Who they think you are is coloured by their own values and how they see the world. You cannot control that, no matter how much money you spend and how long you take to make yourself up.

If you spent $10,000,000 and wound up with the body of a supermodel... all it would take was one person in the street who thinks that all supermodels look like men... and you'd be read faster than the Big Issue in a rainstorm. Would that be because, dispite all the cash, you weren't enough of a woman? No, it would be because another person's idea of what looks masculine is pushed upon you.

Know yourself. Be yourself. Believe in yourself. That's all you can do, and that's all you need to do.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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