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Has hormones and estrogen ever had a STRONG effect? (height and breast)

Started by Annaiyah, October 17, 2013, 07:31:46 PM

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Heather

Quote from: AnnaiyahStarr on October 18, 2013, 06:08:26 PM
I will be blunt but no, your first message wasn't too helpful to me at all. If there's anything you should know about me it's that i strive for the best of everything i dream and accept nothing less than the best. I mean, sure I'll take what i can get if i have no other choice, but i'll be damned if i settle for less than my dreams just because a few naysayers tell me it can't be done or look at me like I'm a crazy person.

As for the question you asked me about the breasts, i giggled a little, but to answer the question, well ... why the hell not? I rather have ddds than to be flat chested and, well i want breasts like i have since my childhood.

And to whoever said they hope I'm seeing a therapist about all this, i wish i was but no! I am NOT seeing a gender therapist yet! I hate to sound rude but i believed I've made that perfectly clear in the OP.

I really do appreciate you guys' replies but just so y'all know because this is my dream and i want it so badly, i might as well go for it because what's the point of having dreams that are not going to happen?

The successful people who accomplish any of the big things in life don't do it listening to people telling them it can't be done -- exactly the opposite actually, by ignoring those people.

I'm brave enough to bet money people used to tell President Obama he would never be... well... president, let alone for a second term and look what happened.

It's not that I'm mad or anything but all I'm doing as i read the "5'3 and female hips are not possible" replies, really, is just cocking my head an inch to the side with a slightly-raised brow and muttering, "okay" like it's nothing, taking all those comments with less than a grain of salt and going on about my life.

So go ahead! Go on about how much i need to see a therapist, look at me like I'm insane, laugh at me even, but like i said in the second message, barriers are meant to be broken and if no other transgirl is going to break them, i will if i die trying. And even as i strive for the "impossible", i would VERY much rather reach for it and fail to at least rest comfortably saying, "Welp, at least i tried!" than to listen to my naysayers, not go for it at all BECAUSE of what they tell me, not get it, learn that it could've been done, and then live the rest of my life using myself for not striving for my soul desires just because a few people tell me i can't have it.

Maybe... just maybe, this is the same thing God/Goddess/Universe or whoever higher being up there made me was thinking when It (i don't give God a gender) decided i should be born male with a female brain instead of female, and in that case I owe myself and God that very least and reach for it.
I can understand wanting to be the best but something's can't be done. I don't really understand why if you want to be the best would you want to be 5'3"? Most genetic women I know that height want to be taller. There is plenty of 6'0" tall women in the world and you should be proud to count yourself amongst them.
What I'm afraid of is how hard are you going to take it if you realize it can't be done? Transitioning isn't about becoming the perfect woman, it's about becoming yourself including all the things you don't like about yourself. Trust me the road to perfection is paved with broken dreams just focus on working with what you have, and be the perfect you. ;)
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Sammy

Dreaming can be nice and it does help with broadening Your perspective, but my experience - and a bit of universal knowledge too - tells me that dreams take a very hard beating when they meet the laws of physics and human biology. Sorry to sound as a naysayer, but well, to those who claim that everything can be accomplished, how about starting with licking Your elbow first? ;)
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Jenna Marie

Well, if it helps, I "lost" about in inch in apparent height (in quotation marks because the reality is that now I stand differently, and it's only if I stretch painfully hard that I can register as my original height), about a size and a half in shoes, and gained four pants sizes from hips/butt expanding by fat deposits alone. I'm also a 42DDD. (It's worth noting that if you do have the 32 rib cage, a 32DDD is the same cup volume as 34DD and 36D and 38C and 40B and 42A, so it's not necessarily all that improbable. And yes, that means my size would translate to ... 32K? Is there such a thing? Anyway.)

Even if bone structure doesn't change, in other words, it's AMAZING how much soft tissue changes can accomplish in terms of altering how your body actually looks to yourself and other people. For one thing, looking delicately built and fragile and female - which a 32 band size would suggest - will make people mis-guess your height. I have a cis female friend who's 6' and 130 lbs and shorter people routinely think she's more like 5'8" because she's so tiny.
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Thylacin

Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 09:56:11 AM
Well, if it helps, I "lost" about in inch in apparent height (in quotation marks because the reality is that now I stand differently, and it's only if I stretch painfully hard that I can register as my original height), about a size and a half in shoes, and gained four pants sizes from hips/butt expanding by fat deposits alone. I'm also a 42DDD. (It's worth noting that if you do have the 32 rib cage, a 32DDD is the same cup volume as 34DD and 36D and 38C and 40B and 42A, so it's not necessarily all that improbable. And yes, that means my size would translate to ... 32K? Is there such a thing? Anyway.)


I'm not sure that's how cup sizes work. Isn't it if the difference between your rib measurements and chest measurements differ by x inches that you determine your letter size? So if chest - ribs = 1 inch, you're an A,  chest - ribs = 2 inches, you're a B, etc. So with a 42 inch rib measurement, your chest measurement would have to be 48 inches to be a a DDD.
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Jenna Marie

Thylacin : I figure since a 42DDD bra fits me, it's the right size. :)  And I do generally find that if I try on a 44DD or a 40G [when I can find one!] the cup size is generally the same; only the band size and fit changes. Also, expert bra fitters say that knowing the "sister sizes" like this is helpful, because those measurement-based calculations will usually only give a starting point at best. http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-advice,328,30.html Not to mention that in underwire bras the "sister sizes" will usually use the same size and shape wire in the cup, which means the enforced shape of the cup will be nearly identical across the cup sizes (until the band is too small or large to manage it, I'd assume, but I don't know that offhand).

(My wife was professionally fitted as a 36J, for example, but because her breasts are pretty saggy at this point - the chest to breast differential is about 3 inches. Clearly, however, that is spectacularly unhelpful when she could fill THREE times a 36C cup volume easily. And that took the fitter about an hour to do, so I totally believe that the measurements give a general hint but aren't guaranteed. That same fitter said that in the expensive manufacturers the cup sizes run smaller relative to department store bras, so I was only a 38DD now in Wacoal.)
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PrincessDayna

Dear OP, everyone has just been trying to give you solid imput on what hrt does, doll. Pretty much you can, and i stress can, have all the goodies you wish for except height. Surgery. However, a natal bone structure stays a natal bone structure. Its too late in life to shrink feet sizes but oriental women start in youth by foot binding, but it creates huge issues down the road. Hormones alone are magic, but you have to really have the mindframe of you get what you get when you take them. Many of us are blessed in full by their effects, but you cannot expect them to turn back time or create more then your body, genetics are naturally capable of achieving. And no one knows that extent for years. But alone they cant do everything, they pretty much have limited capacity to work on with a lot of us, mainly the post pubescent natal male body. Its a nightmare, i feel you, but trust me from a 6 ft 30 year old woman, they do wonders you cant really imagine until they happen. And good news for you: they mostly DO happeln. I had that same mindset a few times when flipping between taking T and E growing up (IS condition) E cannot undo everything T does, but in general, it helps in so many areas that i do not discourage it.  Just gotta approach it with a mindset of you get what it gives and what it cant change or give, there is surgery for some things. A lot of width upper body is muscle mass. A lot. Best bet? Diet like hell before hrt to achieve female weight range for your body type and height/age. Then? Let E work, but give it leeway and time doll, it truly is a lifesaver. Thats the best advice I can give u? I hope it helps somewhat. There is just no scientific way possible to go from arnold swartzanegger to say luci lou. But you could go from arnie to say, anna cornacova;) lol.
"Self truth is evident when one accepts self awareness.  From such, serenity". ~Me  ;)



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lexi

hi star ,
           i can tell you a few things i guess as i been on hormones for seven months now . plus all what i have read because i studied about myself for two years before i discovered i was transgender . i can be wrong about some things but always better safe than sorry .
  for one you did get a lot right about what estrogen will cover . you wont have to practice your voice for two years more like just a few months of hard practice as i am . for the breast they will just come but a percentage of the growth of the size of the family . you dont want to do implants till after you reached your peak of growth if you decide to take hormones .
when i started seven months ago i lost my weight so i hope itll come back in all the right places . so far not bad being 5' 7" 135lbs. .
it all boils down to you will never know till you try . if you decide to do it just remember you have plenty of sisters here that will be here for you .
xoxoxo
lexis
:angel:hi everyone my name is lexis & im new to susans place . im seven months on my hrt & i feel great but also scared at the same time . id like to meet people that have gone through the transition & learn of there experience . i dont know anyone around my area and there is no place close by to meet anyone .
please feel free to leave me a message
i love to hear from everyone even if its a qu
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JLT1

Well,

HRT – best of everything I've ever heard and I'm not sure I believe all of it but everyone is different.  Your odds of all of this would probably be 1:400,000+/- based on rather iffy facts.  Your height can go form 6'3" to 6'0.  You might be able to make a 38 DDD or even F.  You might get some type of an hour glass figure.  Your feet may shrink a size or a size and a half.  You start your voice lessons now. You work out a lot and everything goes perfect, you would be a very nice looking 6' woman.
 
Let's assume money is no object AND you could find a TEAM of surgeons qualified to do All of the operations necessary – everything you want.  You would be two to three (or more) years in continuous surgery and you might still have a problem with the size of your bones.  Some of the surgeries, like removing vertebra, would be very risky, very time consuming and would have a high probability of failure or you could end up in constant pain. You are talking a lot of money.  You could be looking at a few million if you were to go for organ transplants and some of the more exotic experimental procedures (procedures that have an unknown probability of success).

Realistic – go to a qualified psychologist, start HRT, start transition.  Figure out what being a woman really means to you.  Then, make your plan accordingly.  There are a lot of uncommon surgeries out there and more is possible than what most of us can afford.  Take it one step at a time if you are serious.  Remember, once the battle starts, the plan goes out the window.  Adapt, improvise and overcome – to your own success.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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