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Predictors of success during transition?

Started by Soapyshoe, February 22, 2009, 02:17:51 PM

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Krissy_Australia

Quote from: sabrina on February 22, 2009, 09:12:19 PM
This is supposed to be a place on this forum for M2F Transsexuals & I just don't feel comfortable opening up with so many people here who in my opinion might identify as transgendered but have yet not done anything to transition themselves. 

Quote from: Ashling on February 22, 2009, 11:22:58 PM

Crossdressers fall under the umbrella of transgender, and therefore anybody facing MtF related issues can post here. 


I agree with Sabrina that this forum is for those of us who have acknowledged who we really are and actively pursuing steps to correct things. Its true this is a public forum and any one can post here, but in the spirit of this site dont you think, as a crossdresser, that your questions would be better posted in the other forums provided for other forms of ->-bleeped-<-.
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Arch

Quote from: Ashling on February 23, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
If you go to Mensa.org and click on their information tab, they explain that each IQ tests have different scales.  The percentile rather than the raw score is what matters.
I'm aware of Mensa's take on things, but I should have been more specific. I was referring to a standard Stanford-Binet. Mensa only accepts folks from the 98th percentile regardless of the test, so that's around a 130 IQ for the test I'm talking about.
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cindybc

Wow! I went back to the first page to read your first post Ashling, and I have on many occasions thought of the same thing. It would be very interesting to see how far this thread will evolve to.

Here is an essay I sent to a medical student, Dr Meghan, who was studying transsexuality. To a greater degree my essay is centered around preparation for SRS as well a transitioning from trance to becoming a woman.

Are you preparing for SRS? Then may I make a few more small points about why many post op TS-girls don't come back?  It is not just because of pride, nor is it being just unwilling to admit they are hurting and need help in some way or another. This hurting can be from different living pains. Problems adjusting to daily life, isolating, inability to make friends, problems with family, boy friends, girl friends, difficulties at work, or difficulties finding a job, resulting in money problems, etc.

Yes, some of the problems before SRS may not change all that much and can be carried over after SRS, unless dealt with prior to SRS. This is why it is also important that you learn to adjust to the circumstances and work on resolving possible problems beforehand, even if the full time experience has to be extended in order to do so. Be prepared and conditioned to live in the preferred gender, female in this case. Some actually make the error and neglect or wait for the last moment to prepare for this and as a result they are at a loss or in the dark as to how to live like a woman when they come out at the other end of transitioning.

There is a lot more to becoming a woman then just looking good in the physical image and body. Evolving physically as a passable woman is wonderful for your self-image and will be a great asset to your credibility. But evolving within, the inner self, is also very important. This growth I believe is both psychological and spiritual in nature and in this respect we have only begun the journey into womanhood.

This learning and growing will continue for the rest of our lives. I am 9 years full time and I am still discovering and learning different facets about the growing inner self. A GG on the other hand has grown-up or evolved to be who she is from early childhood to wherever she finds herself in her present life, then followed by all the experiences from teenage puberty to womanhood, to conceiving a child and childbirth. But then, even a GG still undergoes and experiences growth within throughout her whole life. It's much like preparing for a new job, like it is wise to learn what all are the different aspects and responsibilities of your job going to be before just jumping in
blindfolded.

Do you know what being a woman is and what living as a woman is like? The feelings, thoughts, and how she perceives the environment around her and other people she interacts with everyday? To be sure, there are physical differences between women and men and contemporary society has managed to blur them to the point that they are not easily seen.  Both genders can perform many of the same tasks and show little difference in other observable ways. But the greater difference between a woman and a man I believe would be inward. Now these ideas are only samples, not hard scientific fact. But it's not really as big a deal as it may seem. Just let instinct and intuition guide you. Estrogen will stimulate and awaken instinct and intuition to a fair degree.

I do know some post op TS-girls that have moved on with their lives and have done well for
themselves. They have good jobs and have even settled down with either a male or female partner. But unfortunately I have seen some end up alone and very lonely mostly because of fear of changing their circumstances for whatever their reason, real, imaginary, or self-imposed. That is something else about post ops. They are quite close-lipped about what is going on in their lives even if the return to the TS message boards to say something.

I will be back tomorrow and we can discuss more about after post op. Tomorrow is my day off so I will be here to check the boards. Sorry for getting back to you so late.

Part #2

Can transitioning have a happy end result? Can this really happen? It is possible for anyone to find contentment, peace, and happiness if they so desire and are willing to work and persevere for it. I mean if an old bat like me survived what I did and came out the other end smelling like roses, literally, anyone can do it.

Even regular people or cisgendered people, what ever, would be envious if not jealous of the way my apparent fairy tail life has progressed, from rags.....well not riches, reasonably well to do I suppose, I guess. Perhaps Cinderella and her glass slipper and her princess Wing Walker who came to the rescue. You know what? I deserve a good life after all the crap I had to bear getting here. If I had not chosen transition I may not be here to type out this story. I have only come here to try to share and impart what has been so freely given to me by Great Spirit.

I followed the call and found my journey to be filled with new discoveries and new things to learn about life and living.

So many wonderful things to see and experience, and so much beauty to enjoy. Like a young lady discovering her new role in life for the first time. If I would have stayed back there sitting on that fence I truly believe I would have stagnated and would have shriveled up into an empty dried out husk and blown away in the wind. But the shell was not empty, it was filled with the beautiful spirit of the girl child within. This beautiful child that would have been no more.

I gave her rebirth and allowed her to grow into her own being, the beautiful being that she has grown to be today. But the growth does not end, the girl child grows and matures into a lady and later she will become a wise, caring, and loving elder. It is the same process as any other genetic woman. The growth never ends, from child to crone. The growth and changes will continue until the time comes for me to relinquish the shell and take flight into the next existence.

Until then I will do what I can to continue to light the way for others to follow, The calling that has beckoned me since early childhood. This is what I *need* to do not want. I have overcome the disorder of GID, I have survived the streets and alcoholism and I am now at long last free to do what my heart desires most, to help those who were once the lot I was part of.

I do pray this was instrumental information for some

There are more of such ramblings in my Blog, Cindy's Rambling Blogs

With Love Cindy



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Buffy

Success for some people may be merely to survive transition and remain with a job, family and friends. For others it may to be to on a lead a new life away from the pressures of transition, be that stealth or not.

Interlect does play a major role in this as transition invariably needs cash to finance this or means to obtain loans etc. invariably the more interlectual someone is, the better the educational qualifications and hence the greater prospects of a well paid job before and after transition. We can not all have degrees or PhD's though and for many people success is based on just being able to transition.

But wether your IQ is above 130 or not, you still need great courage to transition and face the unknown and what that brings and you set your own success criteria as an individual based on what you hope to achieve.

Rebecca
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imaz

Don't believe the IQ business at all!

IQ is very education and culture specific anyway and I suspect the results have been blurred by LGBTQI people's necessity to be smart to survive in this prejudiced world we live in.
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vanna

i do not really care to post personal info but to be honest im of a low IQ but my transition has been highly sucessful.

I do not put that down to any intelligence i have or havent possessed but more the motivation to change any situation i require and perhaps thats is what really matters.
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imaz

Quote from: Ms Delgado on February 24, 2009, 05:54:27 AM
i do not really care to post personal info but to be honest im of a low IQ but my transition has been highly sucessful.

I do not put that down to any intelligence i have or havent possessed but more the motivation to change any situation i require and perhaps thats is what really matters.

My point exactly, in real life so called EQ is probably just as important as IQ.


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Northern Jane

I know I am rather "odd" but in retrospect the factors that made it so easy and so successful for me were:

- being young (24 at SRS)
- being DUMB (I KNEW I was naive and knew nothing)
- being open to learning (knowing I was "under-socialized")
- ten years of living part time en femme  (so I had some idea what lay ahead)
- knowing I was NOT (and never had been) "a guy" (but I wasn't really sure I was a girl either because I had not lived it 24/7 with immunity)

.... but that's just me.

Thirty-five years later this spring and still having a ball!
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cindybc

Dictionary version
IQ = a measure of a person's intelligence as indicated by an intelligence test; the ratio of a person's mental age to their chronological age (multiplied by 100)

Dictionary version
Intelligence = capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.

IQ deals mostly with education
Intelligence, just to name a few cogitations,  deals with a combination having or showing quick intelligence or ready mental capability as well as determined by natural impulse or propensity; acting or produced without reasoning, deliberation, instruction, or experience; spontaneous.

I was 15 years old when I ran away from home, a grade 5 public school drop out. I survived and even thrived, I worked in factories washing dishes in restaurants, worked on farms, fruit picking in the orchards in Florida, dug ditches, worked as stock boy/girl in stores. inside always was a girl and I was quite aware of it, just didn't know waht to do about it at the time.

I drove in stock car races.

Racing hot rods,

Snow machines,

Flew bush planes,

Moped floors, painted houses, made my away around the better half of both eastern US and Canada.

Survived alcohol.

Survived life on the street.

Returned to school to get the necessary papers to secure employment as a Social Worker. worked twenty years as a social worker retired then went back to doing social work.

Then I finally arrived at the door step to transition.
So pardon my English but, for me it was a slam bam, thank you mama experiences compared to where I came from. In comparison transition was like falling off a log, just another journey, but a wonderful journey. I am so very thankful I didn't miss it. On this journey I discovered the girl child within and surrendered to her then gave her life.

I don't shy away from telling my story to any one if I think it can be of any help. I have a wealth of stories to tell out of 63 year kicking about this planet, both good and bad. I believe it's probably all over the internet by now anyway. Gee, that even beets The National Enquirer.  ;D

Cindy

   
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Alyssa M.

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Quote from: imaz on February 24, 2009, 06:35:46 AM
My point exactly, in real life so called EQ is probably just as important as IQ.

As though EQ isn't just as arbitrary and culture-based ...

You might not like what it tests, but it's not some big mystery. IQ, for adolescents and adults at least, is pretty similar to the SAT, which is to say that it measures how well you do in traditional western education.

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Ashling,

You did say two standard deviations. You never have 10 percent above two sigma, even with a terribly pathalogical (non-gaussian) distribution. If you have something fairly gaussian (a.k.a. "normal," which is what you ought to try for if you want to understand your resluts, and which comes up naturally due to the Central Limit Theorem), about 2.3% fall above 2 sigma.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Normal_Distribution.svg
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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sabrina

Quote from: Krissy_Australia on February 23, 2009, 10:56:32 PM
Its true this is a public forum and any one can post here, but in the spirit of this site dont you think, as a crossdresser, that your questions would be better posted in the other forums provided for other forms of ->-bleeped-<-.

Just a couple of things, first I am sorry for being a bratty b!tch, I am not seeking attention, I am going through somethings that have made me very emotional and for that I no excuse.

I do have people to confide in friends & my therapist; my problem is they are not TS, sometimes I think it would be good to speak with other women who are going through similar experiences as I.

So I re-activated my account, I have never been a quitter & I will try to be supportive and helpful as needed.
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Mister

Quote from: sabrina on February 25, 2009, 12:25:20 AM
Just a couple of things, first I am sorry for being a bratty b!tch, I am not seeking attention, I am going through somethings that have made me very emotional and for that I no excuse.

I do have people to confide in friends & my therapist; my problem is they are not TS, sometimes I think it would be good to speak with other women who are going through similar experiences as I.

So I re-activated my account, I have never been a quitter & I will try to be supportive and helpful as needed.

Sabrina, for what it's worth it always drives me bonkers when I attempt to get the opinion of the post-transition guys and everyone (FTM, MTF and anywhere inbetween) replies to the thread.  I feel your pain.
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Alyssa M.

Sabrina,

I hope you can find some support, and maybe lend some to others. I'd just point out that making the decision to transition is one of the most difficult parts of the whole process for many people. It was for me. Also, it takes all types, from people who are ridiculously stable and happy to complete basketcases, and so on.

I think you'll find that there are at least a few women here that you'll be able to relate to. It's tough to find IRL, since there's no real transsexual community just about anywhere, and no reason there really should be. Online communities, blogs, youtube and so on are some of the best things going to combat the feeling of isolation. At least, they have been for me.

~Alyssa
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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