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Should a Home Depot employee have checked this man for his transgender credentia

Started by Hazumu, March 05, 2009, 08:59:32 PM

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Hazumu

Should a Home Depot employee have checked this man for his transgender credentials?

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QuoteThe Gainesville Sun has released the picture taken by a security camera in the Home Depot on highway 441 inside the Gainesville City limits. This man is still at large. He is wanted for walking into a women's restroom and attempting to take a woman's picture with a cell phone camera that he held underneath the stall while she was in it.

It took about 3 weeks for this story to finally get out. This is the first time we have had a photo available. It was first published by the Gainesville Sun and was included in this story.

Is this related in any way to the Transgender bathroom ordinance? He will not be able to defend himself with the ordinance. But that has never been the concern of the ordinance opponents. The problem is that no one could legally STOP HIM from entering because we cannot judge his 'inner sense" by looking at him. All we can tell, even from this grainy photo, is that he is a man.
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Janet_Girl

It is obvious that that is a man, period.  And is it really someone's job to supervise the bathrooms?  Who goes into which?  It is obvious that he was there for one reason only.

But it does give reason for one to pause.  That is why most of us ether have a carry letter or ID in our gender.  Call it is a safety net or whatever, but as more of these stories are released and more state bring up bathroom issues it has become a must have accessory for any transwoman.

JMHO
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Alyssa M.

QuoteIs this related in any way to the Transgender bathroom ordinance?

Why, of course. This is the standard practice of anti-trans activists in order to stir up fear about the stupid bathroom non-issue.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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mickie88

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 06, 2009, 12:37:05 AM
It is obvious that that is a man, period.  And is it really someone's job to supervise the bathrooms?  Who goes into which?  It is obvious that he was there for one reason only.

But it does give reason for one to pause.  That is why most of us ether have a carry letter or ID in our gender.  Call it is a safety net or whatever, but as more of these stories are released and more state bring up bathroom issues it has become a must have accessory for any transwoman.

JMHO

what if they won't change the gender on your id? which is quite possible here in Ohio, i'm not using the men's room and there isn't a family restroom i've been in, in every store i've been in, here in Ohio. they sure as hell aren'ty going to give any of us a special police escort in and out of the restroom of their choosing, not to mention you really can't trust any of them either.

damned perverts screw it up for us law abiding citizens.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Janet_Girl

Mekayla,

Do you have or can you get a carry letter from you therapist?  Granted it maybe a hassle to show it, but if there are any question they can refer to you therapist.
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mickie88

in Ohio they don't give a crap about no carry letter what the computer says and your id says is law, i found that out when i showed it to them at work. according to another member the only good thing i've found is that they'll actually change your name on your BC, instead of just amend it. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Janet_Girl

I understand your frustrations.  I have been following your troubles with your 19th century state. 

Even if you changed the b/c, that doesn't stop some moron from raising an objection.  I am blessed to live in Oregon, which I am protected and changed everything, but gender on SSA and  b/c.

I wish that I could be of more help.for you.  My heart really goes out to you  Maybe seek the advise of a GLBT lawyer.

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mickie88

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 06, 2009, 06:32:43 PM
I understand your frustrations.  I have been following your troubles with your 19th century state. 

Even if you changed the b/c, that doesn't stop some moron from raising an objection.  I am blessed to live in Oregon, which I am protected and changed everything, but gender on SSA and  b/c.

I wish that I could be of more help.for you.  My heart really goes out to you  Maybe seek the advise of a GLBT lawyer.

i would but there doesn't seem to be any in service, the ones the ACLU sent me, their emails didn't work and neither did their phone numbers. a directory search on the internet didn't return any results either, so i've pretty much given up hope on that idea cuz around here they just don't want to be bothered with my "issues" because they're too narrowly narrow-minded to learn something new.  >:( >:( >:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(
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xsocialworker

The man in the Home Depot restroom was probably a plant by the conservative religious right to prove their point in the upcoming hearing to repeal the city of Gainsvilles non-discrimination law.
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Genevieve Swann

The guy is some kind of weird pervert! Gender should not even be an issue. He's probably one of those types who would place a mirror on the toe of his shoe to look up skirts.

tekla

place a mirror on the toe of his shoe to look up skirts

Does that really work?  Really?

Also, this is a Florida story, I pretty much think that entire state is pretty much nuts.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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snowy

It doesn't say that he even tried to say he was transgender. Just some pervert. There's nothing to say he wouldn't have done it without the ordinance. Why don't they understand that it's jerks like him they need to worry about and not us? Do they think that making it illegal is going to stop someone like him? It never has before. I've never heard of an actual TG person doing anything in a bathroom other than what they were supposed to do.  ???
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NicholeW.

In all of the time I have spent in public women's toilets I have had knocks on a door to see if the toilet is occupied. A "I'm, in here." Is enough to stop the check. Three words. I have never had anyone place their head under the door or stall wall in order to see who was on the other side. I have never even begun to imagine mirrors on people's shoes or cameras under a door.

In all the years I used men's toilets. I can recall, persistent knocks, heads and shoulders under a stall wall or door -- often discouraged by shouts and kicks and then reports to staff at the store. But even there, never a mirror or a camera.

WTF? Is this supposed to be "normal" behavior on the chance that a trans-inclusive measure somehow brings on? I don't think so.

In fact, I would rather tender the suggestion that the sort of off-the-wall suppositions and scenarios that Mr. Marsh comes through with (and those of his cohorts Barbera, Wildmon the Maryland morons and others like that have managed to pique the interests of voyeurs and pedarastswho have realized that there is a niche they hadn't thought to exploit previously.

Emelye, you have done a righteous job going back and forth with this wing-nut. Kudos to you.

Nichole 
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Purple Pimp

Quote from: tekla on March 18, 2009, 06:12:10 AM
Also, this is a Florida story, I pretty much think that entire state is pretty much nuts.

Well, don't all the nuts roll downhill...

Lia
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you would do. -- Epictetus
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Lokaeign

This is a load of old rubbish really isn't it.  Some deviant, voyueristic cis guy commits a crime and they have to drag trans issues into it?  They are just using this an excuse to harass non-gender conforming women ("better put on a skirt, love, or you might get stopped from going in the ladies'!  It's for your own safety, you know!") and women who are or appear to be trans.

I've got a radical idea.  How about we stop teaching people that it's okay to stalk, spy on, and predate other people no matter what their gender, and start treating each other with some basic human decency? 
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mickie88

Quote from: Lokaeign on March 21, 2009, 04:47:20 PM
I've got a radical idea.  How about we stop teaching people that it's okay to stalk, spy on, and predate other people no matter what their gender, and start treating each other with some basic human decency?

sad thing is, if this ever DID happen, i'm guessing some people would get really bored.

very sad thought isn't it?
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