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[NicholeW.]

Don't understand? Sorry

What hour?

Yeah, did have that Revelations kinda nuance didn't it.

Do Muslims have apocalyptic literature, Imaz? Did the Prophet hear such things from the angel? That's an honest question, luv, trying not to run with my ignorance here.

Nichole

[tekla]

In fact, its a Dylan line from All Along the Watchtower, which has some biblical allusions to it, but its all Bob. 

What I meant is you better chose whose side you are on, and who is on that side with you, pretty soon that stuff is going to be cemented, and its going to be hard to change.

[NicholeW.]

In fact, its a Dylan line from All Along the Watchtower, which has some biblical allusions to it, but its all Bob. 

What I meant is you better chose whose side you are on, and who is on that side with you, pretty soon that stuff is going to be cemented, and its going to be hard to change.

OK, Dylan, still has that Judeo-Christian bent doesn't he? And I tend to agree that there may be more at stake than we often consider there to be.

Heck, I quite understand anyone not wishing to revisit a trans past. It's quite nice not to. To be able to walk in a store, eat at a restaurant, go to school or work a job without anyone evah bringing any of that to the fore.

Ah, but sometimes there's not much way around it. Didja get a new social security number after you got your srs? If not expect to be found out the first time you get a job working even remotely with children. Gonna contract with the Feds, work at a major corporation, lose a job in the depression we are entering and need to find a new one? Well, expect some type of background check and that ole SSN, whether or not you've had your "designation" changed is gonna show that you were once known as
X X X .

Yep, records are sealed, etc. But not everything is sealed and whisked away into hiding. Give it a shot and see.

So, the notion that you are hidden is rather a fantasy and it's getting to be more and more of a fantasy with the Homeland Security stuff.

Look, I've worked in the areas of intelligence. Low level and only for a few years, but the stuff they have and the stuff you have no idea they have would simply devastate a lot of you. And they tie a lot of that in with the national crime computer and just general info sources.

If you live away from the USA things may be different, but don't plan to visit for very long if you don't want to have some file, on a harddrive somewhere that has something about you and when they do the check. Ping, you'll be shown to have an irregularity in your past.

It's all well and good to place your faith in your longevity at work. But, to quote Bob again, the times they are a-changing.

Nichole

[tekla]

Heck, most background investigations are not even for criminal stuff, (though that shows up) but for financial stuff.  They could care less about stuff that does not involve money.  And at that point, you either have a) no financial history, hence, no job either, or b) have to out yourself and your past name(s).

And Nichole dear, you are so right.  The amount of information that anyone who can and will pay for it can get on the open market is mindblowing.  What Homeland Security has, it's way beyond that.

[tinkerbell]

Like I said on that other zombie topic  .... when and IF that moment comes, we will deal with it THEN, but for now, I am sure that most of us, women of transsexual history who have assimilated quite nicely into society as our true gender are not willing to be "out and proud".  That's our right and our choice as it is your right and choice to be out and proud.


tink


P.S.  See?  I even avoided the term "stealth" because aside from being totally OFF TOPIC,  I also despise it with all my might.  "Stealth" is when you live your life as something you are not, and as far as I am concerned that is not my situation.

TOPIC LOCKED.

[NicholeW.]

Like I said on that other zombie topic  .... when and IF that moment comes, we will deal with it THEN, but for now, I am sure that most of us, women of transsexual history who have assimilated quite nicely into society as our true gender are not willing to be "out and proud".  That's our right and our choice as it is your right and choice to be out and proud.


tink


P.S.  See?  I even avoided the term "stealth", for I despise it with all my might.  "Stealth" is when you live your life as something you are not, and as far as I am concerned that is not my situation.

Well said, Tink. And, in fact, I find you absolutely spot-on. There's no need to be "out and proud." About much of anything. There's simply the need to recognize that unrelenting disparagement for no reason at all, to prove what, is simply not an answer either.

Perhaps no one will ever be "outed" in any way. I don't really believe that, but maybe it's true. But certainly marching in parades and being interviewed on the evening news isn't part of my agenda, for myself or anyone else.

It's more nuts and bolts things, like finding ways to influence other people in positive ways, being able to find connections between myself and an Androgyne or a CD simply because we share a common humanity. Transition certainly never changed that, did it? I mean a common humanity.

Funny, when the background check came back for my license to practice I was startled to say the least. "SSN shows another name previously. No record found in either name or gender." I mean, wtf? So it goes. Someone's gonna know, my friend. There are things that are no longer avoidable and this simply because "we have to protect our children."

It was devastating. So, it's there. And it's not that far beneath the surface. Many will be facing that way before you I suspect and for that, since I do care about you, I am glad of.

Let's just say that my illusions, such as they were, have been rather forcefully brought to earth. Perhaps in other areas of employment other people will not have those same problems. I hope not.

Nichole

[Hazumu]

That background information out there, the fact that it might surface in the most surprising and 'damaging' ways, puts limits on what we are willing to do.

I must, of necessity, be out in my current employment.  My national security clearance demands that I be out about that on some level.  I would be a security risk if I was desperate to hide it, being subject to blackmail were someone to find out my 'secret'.

It would be limiting to someone who might want a new job doing something you always wanted to do, and a much higher salary.  But what if your status as one who transitioned to your true gender was discovered during a routine background check?  So, you stay where you are, and hope you're not laid off, and endure what may be a lousy job rather than reaching for something you want.

One hiding their status would flinch from many things that might risk their transitioned status to become known -- travel, meeting new people, doing things you'd want to do if only you had been born into the right body, rather than having to craft it with hormones and surgery.

And, I'm considering applying for a job making videos that requires a TS/SCI clearance.  I can get the clearance -- but only if I'm out about my having had to transition to my true gender.

Now the only thing I need to consider is -- do I really want to move to Texas?

Karen

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