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Started by Susan, March 09, 2009, 09:29:24 PM

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Zelane

Discrimination happens and it can go both ways  :(

I have read lots of stories and what others have shared. I have had my quota of sharing stuff. So far the only thing clear for me its that we are all different and while there are some things we might share. The needs and challenges one person haves might be similar to mine or completely opposite.

Everyone has their own road to follow. Respecting that its important because that way maybe they can respect mine.


Labels are just that, and they are useful at the beginning but later they are simply that. You can choose to stick to one label or create your own and its good. Just remember that when you reach the point that your ideas and/or actions start to hurt others (or hinder in a huge way) they those ideas and actions needs to stop and be reevaluated.

Like someone say: Live and let live. (or die, or transition or just be lazy,etc, etc(
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imaz

"Lack of hyper liberalism seen as bad"

Come on Rachael, it's hardly "hyper liberalism" [sic] to accept difference. It's merely common decency to accept people for who they are irrespective of their ethnic origin, sexual orientation, sex, gender, age or religious belief.

At the end of the day we are all human beings, none of us are more worthy than the other, we need to learn to live together. If I can say that as a Muslim transgendered person so too I hope can you as a Jewish one. Let's not start ring fencing and building walls as it always ends in tragedy as history has shown us time after time.

Salaam.
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tekla

The Israel/Palestine conflict is a prime example.

A near perfect example, as both side have long lists of grievances, wrongs and actions that they can point to the other side as being the cause of.   And in the end ever smaller group splinter off till you're facing a war of all against all on both sides.  Who's right?  Whose wrong?  Who even cares anymore?  No sitution in the post war world has received so much support on both sides only to waste it until many people just give up and do the plague on both your houses deal and cease to support either side.  And, like that sad story, no one ever seems to win, and more or less innocent people on both sides wind up getting caught like shrimp in a battle between two whales.

That being said, perhaps there are separate, discrete and real differences between people in the community, and just like All Transexuals are Transgender, but not all Transgenders are Transexuals, it could be that all persons with HBS are TS, but not all TS have HBS.  There might well be several ways through the woods, and not all people have the same end goal in mind when they choose those paths (or have them chosen for them) in the first place.

So, TS is a sub catagory of TG, and HBS is a subcategorization of TS, and I'm sure there is a male HBS which is different from the female HBS, and it might well turn out that there are several unique ways of being a woman with HBS so not all of them are really alike, or in the same group.  Does it ever end?

Moreover, and this is my favorite, really it is, is this not all in motion?  Are not people moving from one to the other?  Or back?  People find out a lot about themselves reading and posting on these boards, and along with finding out what you are, finding out what you are not is important too.  Many times in my life, and I'm sure in yours also, you've thought you were something (or wanted to be) only to get close enough and say "That's not really me."

So perhaps we ought to open a section and call it The Crypt for those topics that a) will never die, and b) almost never ever be civil, and warn people, like the old maps did that 'This way be monsters and madness' and let those who would wander into that morass know what they are in for, and the rest of us will, having been stung in the past once or twice, avoid it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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NicholeW.

Quote from: SusanK on March 10, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
... But then I would also expect the moderators to stop posting news and editorials from Websites or blogs that do support HBS or the independence of post-transistion women. If you don't want it here, don't yell at us for talking when you bring it into the forum. After all it's your rules, maybe we all should abide by them?

I believe that she covered that with the ban mentioned in the OP. I think it's safe to say that mods will be deleting posts that try to scurry that argument back into the boards.

For those who want to argue, it doesn't take a lot to find list-serves and blogs that will allow you to "discuss" and argue all you wish on the banned topic.

Nichole
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Caroline

Quote from: SusanK on March 10, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Interesting. I agree with Rachael. I don't identify nor want to be recognized as trans-anything. That's a medical and legal label, it's not me. It's your Website and forum, and everyone has to honor your rules, or we can either keep our mouth shut on this issue or vote with our feet. That's our right.

I personally don't understand that any post-transistion woman wants to wear the "trans" pin. Why else do we fight for the right to be women, be recognized as women, want the same rights and protections as women? But then we argue we're "special" women who deserve additional rights as transwomen? That's our history, our past, it's not our present or future. Why should we be give our opponents the ammunition to discriminate against us?

There are varying levels at which one can take an identity or label to heart.  Some people may choose to claim the transgender label, and make a conscious decision to be out about identifying as such.  Other people (particularly those post medical transition) may take a very different stance, think that the label has very little relevance to their everyday lives, not really consider it a word that describes their experiences particularly closely, never use it to describe themselves but still recognise that they may fall under that banner in its loosest sense.  Nobody is asking you to grasp the 'transgender' label with both hands and shout it from the rooftops, just recognise that it (at least in some of the broader definitions) may cover part of your medical and/or social history.  I certainly hope not anyway, I don't particularly like the 'transgender' label either and never use it to describe myself, I just begrudgingly accept that it does apply to me at some level.

If the trans labels and your history have no relevance to you whatsoever I have to ask why are you here?  You're on the one hand participating in a forum that offers a service to a certain subset of women while claiming no connection to that subset.
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imaz

Quote from: A~ on March 10, 2009, 11:56:39 AM

If the trans labels and your history have no relevance to you whatsoever I have to ask why are you here?  You're on the one hand participating in a forum that offers a service to a certain subset of women while claiming no connection to that subset.

Exactly, well said :)
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Krissy_Australia

Im in a "Trans"it lounge heading to Tassie
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imaz

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NicholeW.

Quote from: imaz on March 10, 2009, 12:12:25 PM
Translation please! ;D

She's connected from a wifi in an airport prior to flying to Tasmania
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Krissy_Australia

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imaz

Quote from: Nichole on March 10, 2009, 12:15:12 PM
She's connected from a wifi in an airport prior to flying to Tasmania

Thank you :)

Since I stopped watching "Neighbours" years ago I've lost track of our Antipodean cousins "use" of English!  ;)
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Susan

Rachael's account deleted at her request anyone else?
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NicholeW.

Quote from: imaz on March 10, 2009, 12:27:02 PM
Thank you :)

Since I stopped watching "Neighbours" years ago I've lost track of our Antipodean cousins "use" of English!  ;)

I never watch tv, guess I haven't seen anything Australian lately except "Australia" :laugh: But I've been interneting with them for years and they aren't usually quite so impenetrable linguistically anymore as they were when i began!! :laugh:

Nichole
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Krissy_Australia

Quote from: imaz on March 10, 2009, 12:27:02 PM
Thank you :)

Antipodean

Hey imaz  we shuold start up a new game like the song game except with phrases
with more than (cant spell charactres) 10 key strokes
" What does Antiodean mean"
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Krissy_Australia on March 10, 2009, 12:49:35 PM
Hey imaz  we shuold start up a new game like the song game except with phrases
with more than (cant spell charactres) 10 key strokes
" What does Antiodean mean"

That should be Anti-Odeon, shouldn't it? Like "I'm against theaters?" :) Or there is allegedly a gay bar in Zuerich, Suisse, that's called the Odeon, so perhaps anti-Odeon would be against that particular bar? :laugh:
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imaz

Quote from: Krissy_Australia on March 10, 2009, 12:49:35 PM
Hey imaz  we shuold start up a new game like the song game except with phrases
with more than (cant spell charactres) 10 key strokes
" What does Antiodean mean"

Antipodean means from the Antipodes! (Down Australia way)

Here in the UK unfortunately there are various "distasteful"(!) expressions used to define our Australian cousins so  hence the choice of a tactful one!

Like the idea, another cool one is a "one line of poetry or a "three word post thread" thread.

For example - "England reclaim Ashes" ;)
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tekla

Here in the UK unfortunately there are various "distasteful"(!) expressions used to define our Australian cousins

You ought to hear what they say about you, LOL!  The fastest way to get your butt kicked in the world is to imply to an Aussie that he or she is somehow English. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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imaz

Quote from: tekla on March 10, 2009, 01:07:55 PM
Here in the UK unfortunately there are various "distasteful"(!) expressions used to define our Australian cousins

You ought to hear what they say about you, LOL!  The fastest way to get your butt kicked in the world is to imply to an Aussie that he or she is somehow English.

Hehe!
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Krissy_Australia

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imaz

OMG!

As if the HBS v. TG topic wasn't bad enough now we've opened the English v. Australians can of worms! ;D

<...hums Indonesia Raya to herself and looks disparagingly south...>
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