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Androgynes in religion

Started by Nicky, March 23, 2009, 10:11:07 PM

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Jaimey

You know, I think my gender and my spiritual ideas are linked together.  It may just be in terms of balance, open-mindedness, listening to myself instead of outsiders, etc. 

I can't follow a religion.  Dogma doesn't do it for me.  I have to be free to decide for myself what I believe in and what I am.  :)  It's all about freedom from restrictions for me.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Nicky

Just letting everyone know that I deleted a few posts in this topic. Personally attacking members of this site because of their religion won't be tolerated.

Cheers
Nicky


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RebeccaFog


Some people say angels are nongendered
Sometimes I know I am an angel

I can see androgynes taking part in religious ceremonies because a good ceremony is like a celebration, but I can't picture a dogmatic androgyne.
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Constance

Quote from: Rebis on March 25, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
I can't picture a dogmatic androgyne.
Well said.

There seems to be a good deal in variance under the "androgyne" term, that we just might be incapable of dogmatism. That's doesn't necessarily mean we can't be passionate about things, though.

RebeccaFog


Passion is good.

even if it's passion for fashion.
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Nicky

What is it people mean when they talk about the "passion of christ"?
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Constance

Quote from: Nicky on March 25, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
What is it people mean when they talk about the "passion of christ"?
Unless I'm mistaken, the "passion of Christ" was the emotional turmoil he went through just prior to the crucifixion.

Nicky

#27
I did a little research and it refers specifically to Jesus' sufferings leading up to and culminating in His terrible crucifixion and death on the cross of calvary.

That sounds to me like it includes the physical.

Just something that struck me as interesting. Jesus as a man in the bible was not a particularly dogmatic dude - most of the dogma came with the religion. His message was simple, his passion was deep, he was a non-violent, he was not particulalry religious, he called for tolerance and love. In some ways you could see him like an androgyne super hero whether you believe or not..




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imaz

#28
Very true, none of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were half as dogmatic as those who followed them and tell us how religion should be.

Jesus' message is valid today and if he threw over the money changers tables God alone knows what he would do to the Vatican, the Pope and various other religious leaders including some of our Muslim ones!

Anyway above all Jesus wasn't a Christian but a Jew and the Christianity we know today, including the concept of the Trinity, is a product of many political decisions some dating back to the Roman Empire.

As for those who hate us for being believers frankly I couldn't give a damn :)

edited out the profanity, even using 'characters' is considered against the TOS - sorry, Nicky  :-*
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Pica Pica

indeed, the jesus of the bible speaks out against dogma.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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ZaidaZadkiel

this jesus character was a pretty cool guy.
I like him.

But I don't care that he was or not the son of god.

I think androgynes should be part of a religious-spiritual celebration. Because we as a.g.s are more aware of the togetherness of male and female. And males and females are more aware of the separatedness of it.

So. A.g.s are awesome, too.

:icon_mrgreen:
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Nicky

I would rather not be part of organised religious or spiritual celebration, I have better things to do.
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ZaidaZadkiel

Quote from: Nicky on March 25, 2009, 07:15:11 PM
I would rather not be part of organised religious or spiritual celebration, I have better things to do.
Like what ?

I like celebrating everything.
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Nicky

wash my hair...feed my cat...help someone out...watch tv...scratch my bits....

I'm not going to celebrate a religion I don't believe in, that is none of them.
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ZaidaZadkiel

Quote from: Nicky on March 25, 2009, 07:27:32 PM
wash my hair...feed my cat...help someone out...watch tv...scratch my bits....

I'm not going to celebrate a religion I don't believe in, that is none of them.
Ah, I see.

Isn't it wonderful that your cat exists, and that someone who can you help exists, and that the TV exists ?
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Nicky

Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on March 25, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
Ah, I see.

Isn't it wonderful that your cat exists, and that someone who can you help exists, and that the TV exists ?

Totally! I'll celebrate that! I'm glad I don't think a supreme being created all that stuff too.
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Kaelin

Mythology, stories, and rituals can be interesting as long as people are aware of the nature of the devices, and people involved provide an appropriate level of consent.  However, I am not interested in [organized] religion, particularly with regard to affirming that people should think or live in certain ways without allowing a sufficient level of discretion and scutiny, and attacking (violence, shaming, etc) those who do not conform.  I'd like gatherings to center around opening options rather than closing them down and forcing people through a pre-selected set.
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Shana A

I was born Jewish, at age 12 before getting Bar Mitzvah, I quit Hebrew School and became an atheist. At age 20 I realized that agnostic better described my beliefs. Over the years I've studied various world religions and sometimes attended their places of worship; Sufi, pagan, Buddhist, Bahai, Christian, new age... and back to Judaism. My spirituality is important to me, but I don't have a need to belong to any particular religion. I occasionally attend UU in my area, I feel comfortable there and am out as trans/androgyne to many people there.

Woody Guthrie was once filling out a form, they asked his religion and he answered all. They said he couldn't do that, so he crossed it out and wrote none. That pretty much works for me.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Simone Louise

This is another issue that arouses my passion, so I've kept quiet while thinking about how to reply concisely. I was born into a family of Radical Reform Jews and embrace most of that approach to life (It is true my great-grandfather's obituary contains the statement that he "was a member of no religious or fraternal organization). I was among the founders of a new congregation, where I conducted some services, taught school, helped organize the youth group, and chaired the social action committee. I have participated in the governance of my denomination from local to international levels. Interfaith understanding has come to be of special interest.

Judaism does not require one to believe in God, but rather to act as if God exists and cares. I am commanded to do some things, to refrain from doing other things, and not to submit to injustice. The exact nature of those commands is determined by my interpretation of thousands of years of Jewish thought and action. Scriptures are a human creation, not scientific truth, but invaluable for insights into the human character. Ritual is important to me either as art or for its effect on my ethical life.

Mysticism is an interest of mine. I celebrated my fortieth birthday by studying for a week with Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan, Br. David Steindl-Rast, and a couple other teachers. We are not rational creatures, nor can I grasp the whole of creation with my mind.

Religion has shaped my approach to gender. As a kid, I noticed in Genesis that we are created male and female. That validated my personal gender ID. God in Judaism has no gender, but is treated at times as male and other times as female. Enough for now.

May we each experience, recognize, and acknowledge one hundred blessings today,
S
Choose life.
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Kinkly

In the first 2 chapters of the bible there are two different stories about god making people one says that "In the image of god he created them; male and female he created them."
(Gen 1:27) If we are both made in gods likeness how can god be either just male of female.  In the other retelling of the creation of people story god first makes adam in gods own likeness then because adam is lonely god operates on addam removing a rib to form eve one intereption is that pre op adam is physicaly Male and female and god removes the female to make a seperate person at the time adam is nameing all the creatures and when he saw eve for the first time he said wo man the bible has a few other words to make adam sound wise (gen 2:23)
I'd love to know of other religious texts that point to a non binary god particaly from non christian/jewish religions (I already know about christian & jewish scrips.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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