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Androgynes in War

Started by Nicky, March 25, 2009, 04:45:58 PM

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Nicky

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 26, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
Looking forward to next fall's college football,

ritualised violence...
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Simone Louise

Quote from: Nicky on March 26, 2009, 05:01:34 PM
ritualised violence...

We all have our vices. I once shattered the dorm room tile floor, when I slammed down a chair during my school's rivalry game. I've had to moderate my expression of passion in later years, because I was scaring my children.

Quietly, calmly,
S
Choose life.
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imaz

War is a terrible thing, it's enough to look at the death toll of the last hundred years to realise that.

The 30,000,000 Chinese and 23,000,000 Soviet Citizens who died in WWII weren't killed by women...
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Nicky

Women were not really allowed to fight, some did though. My grandmother joined the military police, she was excellent at finger locks.

I bet a bunch of those killed were killed by the transgenderd too.
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Constance

All those killed were killed by people. I've met many men who were opposed to war, and many women who fully support war.

imaz

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 26, 2009, 05:26:56 PM
All those killed were killed by people. I've met many men who were opposed to war, and many women who fully support war.

Agreed, but you tell me who did the actual killing.
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Nicky

Soldiers mainly, many of them just boys.
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imaz

I don't know, I just couldn't kill someone, not even a war criminal, not even George Bush.
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Constance

Quote from: imaz on March 26, 2009, 05:30:20 PM
Agreed, but you tell me who did the actual killing.
People who were given the orders to kill. Whether or not they actually wanted to obey the orders is immaterial. A soldier's job is to follow orders, regardless.

Nicky

I believe I have it in me to kill someone and that is a scary thought. I can choose not to though.
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Constance

Quote from: Nicky on March 26, 2009, 05:41:10 PM
I believe I have it in me to kill someone and that is a scary thought. I can choose not to though.
I can say the same of myself. If me or mine were threatened and the only way out was to kill, I'd do it. But, I can't help but think that killing would haunt me for the rest of my life.

imaz

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 26, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
People who were given the orders to kill. Whether or not they actually wanted to obey the orders is immaterial. A soldier's job is to follow orders, regardless.

It's statistically proven that the majority of soldiers have historically aimed to miss the target.
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Nicky

Quote from: imaz on March 26, 2009, 05:57:09 PM
It's statistically proven that the majority of soldiers have historically aimed to miss the target.

There are Lies, Damn lies and Statistics  ;D

I work in a statistical organisation  ;)

I would like to see your source. Personally if someone was tyring to kill me I would shoot to kill. If you are right, that gives me just a little more faith in humanity.
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KYLYKaHYT

Quote from: Nicky on March 26, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
Personally if someone was tyring to kill me I would shoot to kill. If you are right, that gives me just a little more faith in humanity.

Gives ya a bit of an edge too.  ;D
ƃuoɹʍ llɐ ʇno əɯɐɔ ʇɐɥʇ
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imaz

Quote from: Nicky on March 26, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
There are Lies, Damn lies and Statistics  ;D

I work in a statistical organisation  ;)

I would like to see your source. Personally if someone was tyring to kill me I would shoot to kill. If you are right, that gives me just a little more faith in humanity.

It's true Nicky and it infuriated officers in both world wars. Too tired to Google for it but I assure you it's not made up. :)
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Nicky

I'm going to have a hunt around too. It sounds facinating.

Too true Kylykahyt ;D .
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KYLYKaHYT

Quote from: imaz on March 26, 2009, 05:57:09 PM
It's statistically proven that the majority of soldiers have historically aimed to miss the target.

While I can see how this might be true with soldiers who are are relatively new to combat, I would imagine that once you've seen a few of your comrades fall your aim would probably improve quite rapidly.
ƃuoɹʍ llɐ ʇno əɯɐɔ ʇɐɥʇ
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tekla

While that might have been true in some cases, changing training methods also changed that reality.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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DragonGirl

My take from experience, One gets drafted or joins because of being taught it is in the best interest of the nation supported by Gov't and religion. Religion, everyone has a caveat that war is is insanity and thus you are insane at the time and are not responsible for your actions at the time and thus actions are not held against your entry into heaven. Hmmmm. All wars have been historically been fought for money and power. The crusades were all about the spice and silk routes nothing to do with religion just a convienient cover story and even the U.S. Civil war nothing to do with slavery, all about the northern states making big profits manufacturing and the South suppliers of the raw materials and not getting as wealthy as the North.

Once in a combat situation one may believe that it is for God and Country but quickly one realizes that it is a matter of survival for self and your team. I stayed so there would be one less person that would have to be exposed to such insanity. I would never wish the experience on my worst enemy. This is just my take on a distasteful subject. Love to all
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Simone Louise

To blame war on money and power is cynical and too simple. Sometimes wars are fought because one side miscalculates how far it can push the other. Sometimes wars are fought because of one or both sides inept and arrogant handling of the other. Nations are composed of multiple interests and no war benefits the interests of all the powerful players.

Wars are not fought by democracies without the backing of the populace. If potential draftees move to Canada or demonstrate in large numbers against a war or soldiers desert, prosecution of the war becomes extremely difficult.

At the start of the War Between the States, the South did not secede to initiate a long, bitter, and costly struggle; its leaders expected little opposition. Japan never wanted to fight the U.S. and attacked Pearl Harbor to prevent our entry into the war.

Money and power do not require war. Our two largest territorial acquisitions were the Louisiana Purchase and the purchase of Alaska. Both were bargains, far cheaper than war. Canada achieved independence without war. War creates enmities and complications that far outlast and outweigh the short-term gains envisioned.

Personally, I am glad my great-grandfather emigrated to the United States rather than accepting being drafted into the Czar's army and fighting to save one other from being drafted. So are the other one hundred of his descendants.

If you must fight, fight for sanity by civil disobedience,
S
Choose life.
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