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Started by Shunkalunk, October 06, 2010, 01:40:27 PM

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Shunkalunk

First time on susans forum. I'm a 28 m, straight but with an open mind. I am generally attracted to extremely intelligent, creative and empathetic humans. I'm emotionally attracted to both sexes, but sexually attracted to lady parts. I'm at a point in my life where I'm considering potential partners qualifications as a long term mate. My preference is to be with a fertile GG as my life plan includes having and raising kids.

I recently began a relationship with a woman in her thirties who is quite wonderful in many regards, but I am unsure if she is genetically a woman. She is very physically active and describes herself as a tomboy. I am quite sure that she is either a woman with some fairly masculine features, or perhaps a post-op with a good plastic surgeon. I have only anecdotal evidence that this might be the case. For instance, her hip-to-waist ratio is decidedly masculine, her voice is feminine but with a little bass to it, and her favorite musical is "Hedwig and the angry inch" about a post-op glam rocker. What sticks out in my mind the most is when I am fingering her, and I stretch my fingers wide, her pelvic bone feels much narrower than any other women I have been with. I remember my first thought was "there's no way a baby could fit through there". Make a peace sign with your fingers, that's about how wide it is.

Mind you, I am coming from a place of caring for her. I am not transphobic. How would I go about determining if she is a born woman, without directly asking her? Are there any tell-tale signs? I worry about hurting her feelings either way she answers by directly questioning her gender. I suppose it is a sign of lack of trust that I can't just make nice dinner conversation - "so, what are your thoughts on vaginoplasty?" Help!
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Fencesitter

Ask her what she thinks about transsexuals and if she knows any. If she asks you why you ask that, you can hint at her favorite musical.
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Sarah Louise

If she is a genetic woman, she will probably slap you on the face and walk out.  If she is transsexual, she will probably slap you on the face and walk out.

And you would probably deserve it.

Tell her that having children is important to you and ask if she wants children.

Sarah L.
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Shunkalunk

She has mentioned some things that would lead me to believe she's GG, for instance she talks about getting her period, and once mentioned a pregnancy scare in a previous relationship. But, i've never seen tampons or pads at her house. Maybe I should look under her bathroom sink next time I stay over. Am I being too intrusive?

@sarah, she has said that she wants kids. Work with me here. I realize that out and out asking her is likely to be construed as rude. I'm open to staying with her either way. My instinct tells me that something is off, which is why I spent days informing myself more on TS, and working up the courage to ask this forum for advice.
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rejennyrated

Realistically there isn't much you can do other than, as Louise says, telling her that having children is important to you, AND that it is important that they be biologically yours.

Sadly asking her if she want's children won't really tell you much, because many people WANT children, but not everyone can have them. So many of us end up adopting.

The real question is, "is she fertile?" That is a question that is tricky to ask, and almost impossible to guarantee getting an honest answer to! It's just too easy for someone to say later, oh well I didn't know that I was sterile.

I have to say that in your shoes I would instead concentrate on making sure that a future partner knew the strength of your feelings and knew that IF they later turned out not to be fertile and had not warned you in advance then you would probably divorce them!

In other words you point out that you need clarity and you might even say that as it is SO important to you, you would like them to consider getting tested for fertility in advance of any long term commitment.

You do have to accept that if that is what you do, you may well lose many perfectly genuine women simply because they don't like your attitude. In which case you will just have to put that down to experience and realise that they were not the one for you.

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Fencesitter

Quote from: Shunkalunk on October 06, 2010, 02:11:27 PMMy instinct tells me that something is off

So tell her this and add that you don't have the slightest idea what is going on. Cause if you come up with the question about being transsexual, as Sarah Louise said,

Quote from: Sarah Louise on October 06, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
If she is a genetic woman, she will probably slap you on the face and walk out.  If she is transsexual, she will probably slap you on the face and walk out.

;D

Might be something completely different going on here. The way her body looks might just be genetics and/or a high testosterone level during puberty without her being transsexual (you've never seen my mother before...).

Good luck!
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Sarah Louise

Women are not in the habit of leaving Tampons or pads sitting on their kitchen table and looking under her bathroom sink would be very rude.

Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Shunkalunk

@rejennyrated, thanks for input. I really believe in being up front about things, and that is a possible approach. Such a delicate subject!

@fencesitter, lol you're completely right, there's definitely a chance that she is just built the way she is - love it or leave it

@sarah, I am aware that I would be invading her privacy by looking through her stuff, and that I would find it rude if I were in her position. Calling on experience from previous relationships, bathroom trashcans seem to have feminine hygiene wrappers more frequently than not. Either that or I was just dating lazy girls who don't care to take the trash out.
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Nicky

You would be surprised at what babies fit through....

You're not evaluating a horse here. It is not like you have been together that long either. If it gets to be a serious thing then thats the time to start talking about your futures I think.

Do you love her?
Are you hot for her?
Just enjoy it honey.

If making babies is your priority, then look for a younger woman, women over 30 don't have as good outcomes in the baby game as younger woman...
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Alexmakenoise

Quote from: Shunkalunk on October 06, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
What sticks out in my mind the most is when I am fingering her, and I stretch my fingers wide, her pelvic bone feels much narrower than any other women I have been with. I remember my first thought was "there's no way a baby could fit through there". Make a peace sign with your fingers, that's about how wide it is.

That description fits me, and I'm both genetically female and fertile.  These parts expand drastically during pregnancy and birth.  Otherwise, there's a lot of variety in terms of size.


And back to the main point of the thread.  Be patient and you'll eventually figure it out.  It would definitely be rude to ask directly, but you CAN focus on building up trust so that if she were TS she would be more likely to feel comfortable telling you.  It would be best not to get too specific in your suspicions - your sense that "something is off" could well be accurate, but it might be something other than her being TS.
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Janet_Girl

Except for the fact of wanting children of your own, are you attracted to her?  Could you see spending the rest of your life with her?
Are you in love with Her?

If the answers are Yes, then why the hell does it matter.  Many genetic women can not have children.  If she is a post-op Transwoman, she is no less a woman.
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Hermione01

Quote from: Janet Lynn on October 06, 2010, 07:34:34 PM
Except for the fact of wanting children of your own, are you attracted to her?  Could you see spending the rest of your life with her?
Are you in love with Her?

If the answers are Yes, then why the hell does it matter.  Many genetic women can not have children.  If she is a post-op Transwoman, she is no less a woman.

I agree. 

All this snooping around is just wrong on so many levels.
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Rosemary

The only question you should have is whether you can share your life with her. It is understandable you wish to know if your girlfriend is trans. But then again wonder if this really matters to you, if you will treat her differently. Would she suddenly be a different person if you knew? A transwoman is no less of a woman.

My advice is to not ask her because it will be taken badly in both cases. Just be patient with her. If she is trans (which i doubt) or has any physical condition she feels you need to know about she will tell you when she is ready.
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Cruelladeville

big clue is periods (menstruation)....if she's youngish...

If she ain't having them....then that's your answer..... and if you know her well....you'd be aware of this....

And her ovulation cycle you'd pick up in other ways if you're a fairly smart sensitive type....

If (yer own genetic) kids are a deal breaker for you....;then best to get it out in the open soonest me thinks...
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Lacey Lynne

Quote from: Janet Lynn on October 06, 2010, 07:34:34 PM
Except for the fact of wanting children of your own, are you attracted to her?  Could you see spending the rest of your life with her?
Are you in love with Her?

If the answers are Yes, then why the hell does it matter.  Many genetic women can not have children.  If she is a post-op Transwoman, she is no less a woman.

Wiser words were never spoken.

As Cruella said, menses are the big giveaway.  The overwhelming majority of women her age still have this.  I've transcribed and quality controlled a gazillion OB/GYN reports in my time.  On this particular issue, I know what I'm talking about.  Cervix?  (Know how to check for one?  Last PAP smear and/or bimanual examination?  T-girls generally have not had these inasmuch as they lack the apparatus that is being checked).  There are other very revealing medical cues and clues, but that's getting into more technical medical mish-mosh, and who cares anyway?

Like Janet Lynn said, ... [The quote above],

Adoption is not necessarily a bad thing.  You really into her?  Then go for it.   

@ Hermione01:   Totally love your avatar. 
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