Also need advise about FFS! pictures included

[Myself]

Hello all!
I am 20 (just turned! 22th april) and I am on HRT for 11 months - almost 12!

I am afraid about my face, and people do see me as a guy because of my face.
Sometimes I look very girly with nothing male about me! naturally (Especially after shower).

At other times I want to cry that I was even born (because of the stupid Y chromosome!) and go blind.

here are some pictures.. I put quite a few because I look so different so many times! all of the pictures are from the 30th of march up to today:











Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 10:58:16 AM
P.S.! the hair with the black shirt is like this after shower when I put cream.
It never seems to stay, it turns into something like in the first picture, third picture, fourth or last. ;-;

[Janet_Girl]

But when I first saw the pictures, I thought another one that does not need FFS, but you asked so here goes.

Two things I see.  Brow bossing could be smoother, and the chin could be smaller.  Thin and shape the eyebrows.  But the brow bossing can be covered by your hair.  As in the first picture.

And always smile, it really changes your face.

Janet

[Myself]

If you say that.. then why whenever I go out I am seen as a guy?
What do I need to do to fix it.. I mean.. you'd usually see a woman as a woman by her face!
I at many times fail to see it in myself, others seem to fail also.

[Janet_Girl]

Another thing that you can develop, if you haven't, is something I always say.  "Attitude"  And not the bad kind, the kind that says I am a woman.  The face is a tell, but your attitude of I don't pass ( hate that damn word ) will show through even if you are dressed to the "9"s.

Think, feel, be a woman and the world well read that instead fo the first impression.

Janet

[Sandy]

What Janet says is very true!

Your attitude will say more about yourself than just about anything else.  If you "know" you are a woman from the inside, that will affect every aspect of your being.

You will be able to carry yourself in a very feminine way.  You have a very feminine looking face.  Your lips are very full and your smile is very natural.  You have naturally high cheekbones.  Also I wish I had your hair!

I would pluck/wax/shape your eyebrows more to give them a more feminine arch.  You don't need that much makeup though some light rogue on your cheeks and lipstick would help and mascara/eyeshadow to bring out your eyes.

Your face is feminizing quite nicely.  If you have any pictures from before starting HRT, I think you'll see that you have changed quite a bit.

Also, at your age, you have not completed masculine puberty and so you will do quite a bit of feminization as you proceed through your feminine puberty over the next couple of years.

Remember, hon, it takes years for a girl to turn into a woman.  The same holds true for you.

If you did choose to go for FFS, there would be minimal work needed.  Your trache barely shows so you don't need a shave, you could do with a lip lift and brow bossing, but that is about all.

Save your money for SRS, hon.  You'll do fine!

-Sandy

[Myself]

Lip lift?
What is it? ^^
It sounds so fake! do I need it :X? I hope not :X
Doesn't it mess the mouth positioning completely?

As for pre picture..



I was FAT!
Used to be around 70-88 kg for several years.

now I am at about 65kg and dropping ^^ (slowly ;-;)

What do you mean by more feminizations? what can I expect?

[Rhye]

Big difference. You're adorable, I love the second to last picture!

[Myself]

Big difference. You're adorable, I love the second to last picture!

Thank you ^^

I hate the last one though I look terrible in there and very guyish! I wonder how I can look so different between those pictures..

[Rhye]

The last one's alright. The only thing that really yells "guy" in that picture is that you can see some beard shadow, which you'll be rid of eventually right?

[Sandy]

Lip lift?
What is it? ^^
It sounds so fake! do I need it :X? I hope not :X
Doesn't it mess the mouth positioning completely?

As for pre picture..

I was FAT!
Used to be around 70-88 kg for several years.

now I am at about 65kg and dropping ^^ (slowly ;-;)

What do you mean by more feminizations? what can I expect?

A lip lift is where the distance between the upper lip and below the nose is shortened and your upper lip is turned out slightly.  That is one of the most obvious tells between a male and female face.  Generally the distance between the lower portion of your nose and the top of your upper lip is less than a finger width for a female.

It does not affect the position of your lips or mouth.  I've had one, I hope it doesn't look too fake! 

You look much better now that you are thinner.  Your skin has become smoother and softer.  And your beard has lightened slightly.  You have probably improved your skin care regimen which has improved your skin tone (less acne).

Your feminizations will include more heightening of your cheeks and more roundness in the temporal regions.  Your nose will become less bulbous and upturned slightly.

Also your body as well as your face will become more feminine.  You will lose additional muscle mass and upper body strength.  It's difficult for me to say whether your bone structure will change much.  Most of the cartilage and bone structure finishes in the mid twenty's.  So there is a possibility that your hips will widen more, though a physician would be better able to judge.  And, of course, your breasts will fill out more.

Overall I would think that you do not *need* FFS.

You are very pretty!

-Sandy

[Myself]

Thank you! ^^

I am feeling much more comfortable now

About the skin, I am not using anything.. maybe I should? ^^ suggestions are welcome

I was thinking about taking GABA to enchance possible growth still.. like hips and breast.
But I am worried if it can raise testosterone, I tried to look into it for hours! but no luck..

I bought my first bra few days ago.. I thought I was tiny.. I ended with a C cup ^^ band is 34 which is weird and totally against my measurement.. but probably because of the lot of body fat at my belly!

I wonder if they will grow more.. I wonder if they need to ^^ hopefully at least fill a bit more!
My mother is 36B.

I realllllly need to do something about my belly and waist, it's hugie and fattttty

I am having my first meeting for consulting hair removal next wednesday, 6th of match!

I need cloths
I need to drop weight.. (about 65kg now.. and about 164-166cm tall)
Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
About the lips.. mine are just about a finger width far from the nose.. right at the top.
Putting my finger in between touches the nose start and the top of the lip so I don't think I need it O_o
Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
I would also like to know how you can get rid of those tiny black spots of hair after shaving.. :X

[Sandy]

Thank you! ^^

I am feeling much more comfortable now

About the skin, I am not using anything.. maybe I should? ^^ suggestions are welcome

I was thinking about taking GABA to enchance possible growth still.. like hips and breast.
But I am worried if it can raise testosterone, I tried to look into it for hours! but no luck..

I bought my first bra few days ago.. I thought I was tiny.. I ended with a C cup ^^ band is 34 which is weird and totally against my measurement.. but probably because of the lot of body fat at my belly!

I wonder if they will grow more.. I wonder if they need to ^^ hopefully at least fill a bit more!
My mother is 36B.

I realllllly need to do something about my belly and waist, it's hugie and fattttty

I am having my first meeting for consulting hair removal next wednesday, 6th of match!

I need cloths
I need to drop weight.. (about 65kg now.. and about 164-166cm tall)
Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
About the lips.. mine are just about a finger width far from the nose.. right at the top.
Putting my finger in between touches the nose start and the top of the lip so I don't think I need it O_o
Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
I would also like to know how you can get rid of those tiny black spots of hair after shaving.. :X

I follow the three rules of skin care:
Moisturize!
Moisturize!
Moisturize!

That really is the best thing you can do for your skin.  Follow morning and evening cleansing and exfoliation and moisturize often.  Also a high value SPF (30 or better) cover as well.

I am not familiar with the use of GABA so I really can't help there.  These are questions best raised with your endo.

You are a 34C after 11 months of HRT?!  You make me jealous!  You may gain more as time goes along, though it does seem odd that you are that much larger than your mother.

If you want to smooth out your skin tone following shaving, use a light foundation.  That should hide much of your facial hair.  As you go through hair removal you will not need as much as time goes along.

Honey, we *all* need clothes!!!  I'll meet you at the mall!

-Sandy

[Paulina]

Well I am not an expert in cosmetic surgery, but this is what I think will supplement your look.

To Pass: Eyebrow lift, lip lift, the length of chin (up and down) shorten

To be beautiful (with the other ones as well): Hairline lower, ear surgery (too make it smaller), nose surgery (somewhat too masculine and bulbous), *perhaps* adam apple shave since I see a shadow

Oh and I been addicted to her shows, since it's basic and natural looking (most of them; favorite being Romantic Valentine)
http://www.youtube.com/user/MichellePhan

You're almost there, but I am going to be honest, you read more as androgynous (depending on how you carry yourself; make up; fashion). That's not really that great, since I bet you're aiming for the whole natural girl look without any make up, fashion. I think the eyebrows should be shape and more feminine, so that's definetly needs fix (Michelle Phan made a video about that).

[Luc]

I think you're absolutely fine without FFS. By the way, those lips are beautiful! And a little makeup can make a world of difference.

SD

[Nero]

you look like a girl in the freshly showered pics.

[placeholdername]

I'm going to take a different stance from a lot of the above posts -- I think FFS would really help you feel more confident about yourself.  I don't know about lip lift -- doesn't really seem like you need it, but the areas that stick out to me on first glance (which is the most important glance when it comes to passing) are eyebrows and chin.  The eyebrows can definitely be helped by strategic tweezing.

What would also be helpful is a side-view profile picture -- this is usually the most depressing picture to take (from my own recent experience), because all the male features seem to stick out 100x worse.  But it's also the only real way to tell if you need chin/nose/brow work.

The other thing I would recommend is to check out VirtualFFS (just google it).  They do photoshop simulations of FFS so you can look at the before and afters and decide if its really worth the money you'll have to spend (which reminds me that I need to get that done myself).

[V M]

I'm not much of a kiss butt, so I'll tell you truthfully. The lips are fine. Thin the eye brows, remove the facial hair via laser or electrolysis. Maybe re-shape the nose...and that's a big maybe

[Zelane]

Hmm, ok

Female cues:
Your lips... thats a nice asset you have they are like wow
Nice hair, I think you look better in the first picture. That and the one where you are smiling I feel are the ones where you look like a girl

Male cues:
Brow bossing, its quite prominent
Eyebrows, they are below the brow
Eyes small (again because of the brow)
Chin, its tall and kinda squarish
Scalp, its high
Some facial hair


I feel a t least 2 years in HRT? and then you can have a better idea of what you might need.

[FallenLeaves]

Everyone usually says that FFS is not necessary. It's all about how you feel though. If you aren't confident in yourself because you feel like your face looks masculine then I think FFS could be a great decision. I am in a very similar boat as you (10 months on HRT) and I am going the FFS route for sure. Worrying people are reading my face as a guy is the last thing I need to be thinking about. It's really just depends, everyone is different.

Anyways, I think probably chin reduction / shaping, rhinoplasty, brow shave, and scalp advancement. I'm not sure about the lips or forehead from those angles really. I paid for the Virtual FFS (pics on this site) and I was rather surprised by the results, it is something you should consider checking out.

[Muddy]

Have you considered bangs?
Prominant brow can be a tell.
Nicely shaped eyebrows (See about salon waxing) and bangs will complete the beautiful woman I see in the pictures.