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Started by kisschittybangbang, March 13, 2009, 03:24:57 PM

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kisschittybangbang

So, My Wonderful love of my life has apparently gotten over the confusion stage of things.
-They have ordered and received a Binder/compression shirt (Tri-Top from Underworks). I am more than happy with this. This binder is comfortable according to my love and it means that they are at less of a risk of having their rib cage collapse or break.... I've been fretting for weeks about how bruised their ribs and chest has been and it's a nice relief
-They have now come to terms with the whole trans label. ^^ SO now I guess we are officially going through a transjourney. ^^ I'm just happy that they are content with them you know?

So....since we've talked about it, they'd rather I not use pronouns at all at this point, but I was wondering... What would be appropriate since its still the early stages? I mean I know about (s)he..... but are there other terms I should know?
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mina.magpie

Well, alot of people use the singular plural, as you did in your post - using they and their instead of he/she his/hers. You could also try some of the gender-neutral pronouns suggested by various academia - si / hir is popular, but perhaps a bit close to she / her. ze/zir is also used often - I tend to go for that one myself, since it's the most clearly unambiguous ... or most clearly ambiguous, depending on what angle you're coming at this from!  :D

Also, congratulations to the both of you for positive steps taken, and consider yourself awesome for being such a supportive partner. People like you are rare and special and truly fantastic. :D

Mina.
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kisschittybangbang

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=57311.msg359289#msg359289 date=1236977016
Well, alot of people use the singular plural, as you did in your post - using they and their instead of he/she his/hers. You could also try some of the gender-neutral pronouns suggested by various academia - si / hir is popular, but perhaps a bit close to she / her. ze/zir is also used often - I tend to go for that one myself, since it's the most clearly unambiguous ... or most clearly ambiguous, depending on what angle you're coming at this from!  :D

Also, congratulations to the both of you for positive steps taken, and consider yourself awesome for being such a supportive partner. People like you are rare and special and truly fantastic. :D

Mina.

Thanks alot, that really does help.

But I dont understand why someone supporting their partner is so rare.
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TamTam

Quote from: kisschittybangbang on March 13, 2009, 03:53:36 PM
But I dont understand why someone supporting their partner is so rare.

Because.. some people have their sexuality very rigidly defined.  Some people have set expectations of what they want out of life and will not accept alterations.  Some people think transsexuality is a sin, or gross, or wrong, etc.  Some people can't handle that there was an initial period of the truth being hidden, if that was the case.  Lots of reasons, unfortunately. :-\ Some of them I understand more than others.

I'm really happy ze has figured things out a bit more! :D And I tend to use ze/zir/zim just because those are the first gender neutral pronouns I ever came into contact with. :)
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Starr

I'm glad you and ze (that's what I've heard the most, too) were able to make such great steps! You're in for quite a ride. ;) I have learned a lot about myself while going through this process with my partner.

Part of me can understand why it's hard for someone to adapt at first to learning their partner is trans. But after a period of adjustment, unless you are absolutely certain that you can't change your sexuality, I don't know why more partners don't accept it. The person they fell in love with is still the same. All the parts that really matter anyway.   :)

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TamTam

Honestly.. and unfortunately.. :-\ it's a lot easier to 'understand' [by that I mean, 'not be surprised by'] when you remember how many kids are still disowned by their families for just being gay.  And homosexuality is at the moment more 'accepted' by more people than transsexuality is. :-\
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Starr

Quote from: TamTam on March 13, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
Honestly.. and unfortunately.. :-\ it's a lot easier to 'understand' [by that I mean, 'not be surprised by'] when you remember how many kids are still disowned by their families for just being gay.  And homosexuality is at the moment more 'accepted' by more people than transsexuality is. :-\

So sad yet so true. Sigh.  :-\

I couldn't believe people's reactions when my partner came out at work. (We used to work together until she lost her job...oddly enough (not) just a month after she came out there.) People knew I was friends with her (well, "him" as far as they knew). Most thought there was something going on between us. (There wasn't at the time but I'd already been in love with her for a couple of years at that point.) I don't think they quite knew what to do with that idea once she came out. I was, up to that point, nothing but a straight woman. But they alienated her and put me under scrutiny for being friends with her, including malicious things that put my job in jeopardy.

The day my partner came out one of my friends said, "I really feel you. I know it must be hard trying to be friends with someone when you know what they're doing is wrong. God doesn't make mistakes." I'm very non-confrontational so I didn't really respond. I should have pointed out that God makes "mistakes" all the time. There are plenty of people born with problems or birth defects, but no one ever accuses them of being horrible because of it. It's just some sort of fear mindset people get, I guess.
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mina.magpie

Quote from: Starr on March 13, 2009, 10:45:18 PMThe day my partner came out one of my friends said, "I really feel you. I know it must be hard trying to be friends with someone when you know what they're doing is wrong. God doesn't make mistakes."

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr... Aaaaaaaaaaargh!

Ahem. Right. Got that outta the old system.

Quote from: TamTam on March 13, 2009, 04:38:45 PMI'm really happy ze has figured things out a bit more! :D And I tend to use ze/zir/zim just because those are the first gender neutral pronouns I ever came into contact with. :)

Just a quick question:

I know about ze and zir, but what's zim for?

Mina. Clueless.  ;)
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TamTam

Aaaaah 'twas just a typo.. ;D :embarrassed: You didn't see that..
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mina.magpie

Haha. Me is blinded by ze light. ;)

Mina.
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Cindy

Good news is great sad news as well.

I don't want to offened anyone but as mistakes are made quite often is this proof that God doesn't exist? Try telling a new mum that her stillborn child was meant to be. That a burns victim- this is i the plan, the victims of criem etc etc.
Sorry

I was going to say that my partner new I was TG before we were married and didn't have a problem; I just wasn't sure about tranistioning, we talked about it and decided it was my call. " I love you and you are you". After the wedding, Rebecca asked me to be the bride: dress etc; she didn't dress as male, she is cis. In private we went through the same oaths. We have never broke them.

I never will.

Love is Love.

Cindy James
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Genevieve Swann

mina, zim is either a type of meditation or it may be an asian dish.

kisschittybangbang

^^ well... Thats lots to take in. ^^ Yeah, I am well aware of it is going to be a BIG ol' rollercoster ride from here on out. and Honestly I am really scared, but I am proud and happy that ze is taking steps towards something that makes zir happy. (the pronouns are crazy! x3 its gonna take so long for me to get used to them! x3)

Wish us luck everyone. ^^; From here on out, I'm walking a tight rope.
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TamTam

Luck!!

But really, the rollercoaster is so much smoother if you're in a loving relationship to begin with. :) Because that can always be your foundation and what you return to if you go through a rough patch.
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Jay

That is good news and its really I be "they" are very grateful for your support and willingness!

Jay


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kisschittybangbang

Yeah. I'm trying! ^^ We have a good foundation, but lately communicating has gone down the drain. It was no secret in the beginning of our relationship that men just weren't very sexually attractive to me (not to say I dont find them attractive, but its a more artistic appreciation lol) and I think ze didnt feel like I'd be supportive. But yeah. we've had a few spats because of miscommunications but we work through them. Babysteps. lol. Its alot for me to take in ya know?! ^^ but that's okay. I love zir very much and right now I am going to try to be there for zir!
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Starr

You love zir and that's all that matters. I joke sometimes and say my relationship with Hypatia has gone throug one gender and two sexuality changes. That's some record.  :laugh:  :laugh:

You and ze can do it, too. :)
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Hypatia

Just wondering... what's wrong with saying "he"? Has any reason been given for avoiding pronouns? Regardless, I believe in always going by the wishes expressed by the person in question. In such cases, I restructure my syntax to function without any pronouns. The various gender-neutral pronouns that have been proposed just look like deformed English to me; aesthetically, I haven't managed to feel comfortable with them. If someone* requests no pronouns at all, I would take that to really mean none at all, not even the gender-neutral inventions.

*I guess the word someone is a pronoun too, but it seems to slip past unnoticed without triggering any gender matters.

Quote from: Starr on March 13, 2009, 09:59:35 PMPart of me can understand why it's hard for someone to adapt at first to learning their partner is trans. But after a period of adjustment, unless you are absolutely certain that you can't change your sexuality, I don't know why more partners don't accept it. The person they fell in love with is still the same. All the parts that really matter anyway.   :)

When someone gives more value to rigid social structures than to the persons themselves... it's a problem. When this is done to me, I feel I'm treated not as a person but as an object, nothing but an inanimate cog in the social machinery. This is how I define my idea of humanism. People, real people with hearts and feelings, matter more than structural rules.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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kisschittybangbang

@ Hypatia: Well ze asked for me to be gender neutral up until recently. (like 2 days ago) He wanted it to be a little slower for both of our sakes. In public, depending on the situations, he'd prefer me to say "he", around family members its "she" and when its just the two of us "he" but when we are in a mixed group of friends its no pronouns at all. ^^ So it can be confusing, and I do slip sometimes, but he knows I'm trying and he appreciates my efforts.
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phantom_heart

I have that problem. Although Adrians family knows (adrians still to shy to say anything because her dad likes to joke alot about everything) i slip up. Calling her adrian when i should be saying nick. Talking bout SRS forgetting other people wouldn't understand what the heack i'm talking about LOL

All in all on here at least if i need to talk about Nick i'll use he and such. Most times i'll use she whenever i can. I say it loud and proud LOL
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