Obama: what a screwup

[Annwyn]

That's right.  I held no political opinion during the elections.  Now I have one, now I'm going to complain

I can't say I like Obama, he's way too young and couldn't even complete his term in congress before abandoning it to go play with bigger things. He's full of lies already. But hell, that's politics. The sad thing is this country and the people in it. The mentality isn't, "what can I do for my nation" it's, "what can my nation do for me." I'm going to say something blasphemous: I'm ashamed to be an American.

This is going to be a tough 3 years to endure, although I doubt he'll last till then.  Just in his first 100 days he's made a complete idiot of himself and even the liberals are starting to admit to it too.

To all you who were Obama crazy, it's time to start using your heads and admitting that this dude is going to get our troops killed and our schools blown up by setting terrorists free, he's going to destroy the economy even more by pouring money into, "preventive medicine."  As if, as long as fried chicken and burgers are the primary diet for Americans then there's no amount of medicine that will fix their diabetes and hypertension.  It's just going to blow $8000 a month on every fat slob in the country and let them live a few more years so they can keep eating their fried chicken and popping expensive friggin pills and insulin.  Obama's word is going to mean zilch, nothing, zero if he keeps pulling statistics and statements out his butt and not publishing citations or sources for his statements.  He keeps yanking his own chain and making a fool out of himself in front of the entire country.  Then again, that's irrelevant as long as people have their fried chicken and anxiety medicine, right?  They'll believe anything he says...

He might SAY he's going to do all this crap for us, but who's he kidding?  The day that gays can enlist will be the day that 1/2 of the USMC and USArmy go AWOL. 

What about some of this other stuff?  More money for education?  Mmkay, this is what's happening in the school district in my area: my boss's wife is a regional supervisor for the district here.  She had to tell all of her principals to choose 7 teachers and lay them off.  Wow, that's great for education!
He's so against the war?  He's projecting we're only going to spend $50 billion in the desert each year?  Dude, what the hell, this is the dude that talked crap for 6 years about the war  but then voted for spending in Iraq.

Change, change, change.  It's all he could talk about.  I'm seeing change already, and I don't like it.  Who is this guy trying to kid?  The entire planet?


Who am I even kidding?  Any of you Canadians want a roommate?

[placeholdername]

Obama never voted for the going to war -- he wasn't in the senate yet.

[tekla]

And there are gays in the military, always have been - matter of fact, the military is very much a men 4 men and no women allowed kind of place.  The only question is if they can be open or not.

[Annwyn]

Obama never voted for the going to war -- he wasn't in the senate yet.

He made a speech in 2002, over six years ago, against the war.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm

And then he voted in for more money to support it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/09/obama.war.funding/
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And there are gays in the military, always have been - matter of fact, the military is very much a men 4 men and no women allowed kind of place.  The only question is if they can be open or not.

I've got a lot of friends in there, most of my friends are military.  Most of my friends would refuse to bunk with a, "->-bleeped-<-."

Sure some wouldn't mind, but even so, "macho correctness" will always overcome, "political correctness" in the us military.

[placeholdername]

Right buy you said "who VOTED for it in the first place" and he didn't.  He's been very clear that he would have voted no if he had been in the senate, but once the troops were already there he wasn't going to vote against funding them.

[tekla]

I've got a lot of friends in there, most of my friends are military.  Most of my friends would refuse to bunk with a, "->-bleeped-<-."

But oddly enough they are friends with you, and several have been your lovers.  Things that make you go "hmmmm'.

[Annwyn]

I've got a lot of friends in there, most of my friends are military.  Most of my friends would refuse to bunk with a, "->-bleeped-<-."

But oddly enough they are friends with you, and several have been your lovers.  Things that make you go "hmmmm'.

Nope, not lovers.  They just love the food I cook and the support I give: I'm one of the few people who will invite someone over to my house and cook for them solely for the fact that they're serving my country and putting their lives on the line.  That's why I'm buds with a lot of them.

[Rachel]

lets see, its only been what......-counts-.....four months since he entered office, give the man a chance.  At least he is trying, and spending money on things that make sense and not just on war/oil/his corporate buddies.  But before we bash the crap out of him, lets let him have at least a year, because things in government take time.

Also, as far as economy goes, well no one really understands it despite what any of them say, its an unpredictable thing because its based on human spending.  the only predictable part is that the more people have money the more they spend, so wouldnt it  make sense to create more jobs for people, they spend and that helps the economy.  I hardly see how this is a bad thing.

and yes, there are many gays in the military, its not something that often gets you kicked out anymore, ask an army/marine/navy/air force soldier some time, they will verify it too.

Money for education is good too, and more scholarships for teaching degree's come out every day, good for me, I'm a music education major.

As for him voting for the war, impossible considering he wasn't in office.  As for his support for funding, yes, he supported funding for body armor and things to help the troops to keep them alive, hardly anything bad as I can see it.

As for people and their gluttony, that's a part of America, and it will take years to uproot, but as more and more people give education into ways to lose weight and eat healthier, more people lose weight.  More and more education about proper diet and exercise exist every year, they are creating it for a reason, the more people know the more they can do with their life.

It seems you need to do a bit of research before you start bashing someone, although its not entirely surprising, most of the people who complain and bash the most don't even do their research.  When you go off of hearsay, it kind of skews your view on the matter.  But if you hate it here so much, then go to Canada, just know their citizenship system is a pain like any other countries, so good luck.

[Annwyn]

Hearsay?  I'm on the front lines in the pharmacy dealing with all this medicaid and medicare CRAP.

I'm on the front lines there.

That comment about the military?  Already addressed.

That comment about the education?  Already addressed.

100 days in and already screwing up.

I'm going to let my brother James have his say on this thread in a min.

Spending money on things that make sense...

OBAMA: "Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. ... That wasn't me." — in Missouri.

THE FACTS:

Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, held the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited. A Republican president, George W. Bush, had a role too: He signed the legislation.

Obama supported the emergency financial bailout package in Bush's final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.

To be sure, Obama opposed the Iraq war, a drain on federal coffers for six years before he became president. But with one major exception, he voted in support of Iraq war spending.

The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has estimated Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years, even accounting for his spending reduction goals. Now, the deficit is nearly quadrupling to $1.75 trillion.

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OBAMA: "I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the (disease) prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. ... If we're making those investments, we will save huge amounts of money in the long term." — in Missouri.

THE FACTS: It sounds believable that preventing illness should be cheaper than treating it, and indeed that's the case with steps like preventing smoking and improving diet and exercise. But during the 2008 campaign, when Obama and other presidential candidates were touting a focus on preventive care, the New England Journal of Medicine cautioned that "sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention, however, are overreaching." It said that "although some preventive measures do save money, the vast majority reviewed in the health economics literature do not."

And a study released in December by the Congressional Budget Office found that increasing preventive care "could improve people's health but would probably generate either modest reductions in the overall costs of health care or increases in such spending within a 10-year budgetary time frame."

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OBAMA: "You could cut (Social Security) benefits. You could raise the tax on everybody so everybody's payroll tax goes up a little bit. Or you can do what I think is probably the best solution, which is you can raise the cap on the payroll tax." — in Missouri.

THE FACTS: Obama's proposal would reduce the Social Security trust fund's deficit by less than half, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

That means he would still have to cut benefits, raise the payroll tax rate, raise the retirement age or some combination of these measures to deal with the program's long-term imbalance.

Workers currently pay 6.2 percent and their employers pay an equal rate — for a total of 12.4 percent — on annual wages of up to $106,800, after which no more payroll tax is collected.

Obama wants workers making more than $250,000 to pay payroll tax on their income over that amount. That would still protect workers making under $250,000 from an additional burden. But it would raise much less money than removing the cap completely.

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OBAMA: "My hope is that working in a bipartisan fashion we are going to be able to get a health care reform bill on my desk before the end of the year that we'll start seeing in the kinds of investments that will make everybody healthier." — in Missouri.

THE FACTS: Obama has indeed expressed hope for a health care plan that has support from Democrats and Republicans. But his Democratic allies in Congress have just made that harder. The Democratic budget plan that Congress passed Wednesday gives Democrats the option of denying Republicans the normal right to block health care with a Senate filibuster. The filibuster tactic requires 60 votes to overcome, making it the GOP's main weapon to ensure a bipartisan outcome. The rules set by the budget mean that majority Democrats could potentially pass health care legislation without any Republican votes, sacrificing bipartisanship to achieve their goals.

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Associated Press writers Matt Apuzzo, Kevin Freking and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

We got a monkey as president.  First a cowboy, then a monkey, oh well.  Hopefully this one won't last for 8 years.

[KelarDrioktain]

Honestly, I have to say I agree with it. Obama might claim that he wouldn't have voted for it, but if you recall the primaries, he couldn't seem to get an honest word out. He and Hillary both kept lying and getting caught by one another and the reporters. So, all in all, he seems to be keeping suit with his track record, well... no. He HAS no track record, and can't seem to be honest enough to even tell us where he's guiding us. Over 50% of the people I know that voted for him, did so either because of his skin color, good looks, or simple oratory. He talks a good talk, turns around and does his own thing.

As for gays in the military, I've heard some very good explanations for that, similar to the ones for no women. It has nothing to do with whether or not they can fight, or do their part. It has to do with how the men who comprise the vast bulk of it would react. With women, they tend to do stupid things to be heroes, or to show off... with gays, because they don't want to worry about the man beside them, when they're already being shot at by the guys in front of them. That, and there is a fairly high percentage of homophobes in the armed forces.

[tekla]

I'd bet, and can prove it, that 50% of the people voted for him because the alternative offered was much, much worse - if not an out and out joke.  The 'pubs ran a guy that the majority of his own party didn't like.   Nothing more complex than that. 

[Rachel]

either way, bash obama in his first moments of presidency all you want, the alternative was worse.  This country didn't need another prescot/bush cronie to give the rich minority all the tax cuts they want, keeping us reliant on war and middle eastern oil.  The Bush family and republicans have run the highest deficit records of our history, 9 out of the 10 highest deficits.  Do you really think that was any better for this country, keeping us spending money in other countries, dropping off education just to fund the killing of our own citizens for a war of greed?

Not to mention the fact that McCain probably would have died in office to leave us with that moron of a woman to run the country, the woman didn't even understand how politics worked properly, thinking she was good with foreign policy because Russia was across a straight from her.  You have issues with Obama not answering anything honestly or straightly look at her.

Do you really think that that party would have been any better.



Oh, and we cant forget the irreperable damage that particular administration would have done to our cause, if McCain and Palin had been voted in, we would be set back another 8-10 years of work.

[Michelle.]

Just wait when we recover from this recession.

Actually that should be written apear to recover.

All that money is due in the future.

Welcome to the world of inflation and high interest rates.

BUt for now the deflation and unemployment is "good" enough.

Seems Iraq is also turning violent again. What are we up to now 2 car bombings a day?

Also Obama grovels before hostile foreign heads of state.

In the end the '08 campaign will come back to haunt him. He made so many promises to people. In both what he would and would not do, that his fall will come soon enough.

I just hope were not bankrupt or worse off dead before all is said and done.

Polls are showing that people like Obama, but dislike his policy proposals. In fact his latest primetime variety show numbers are down 29%.

In closing welcome to Corporate Fascism y'all!!!!

[Annwyn]

I'd bet, and can prove it, that 50% of the people voted for him because the alternative offered was much, much worse - if not an out and out joke.  The 'pubs ran a guy that the majority of his own party didn't like.   Nothing more complex than that.

Absolutely, which is why I refused to vote because both choices sucked.  I complained about then.  Well now it's been decided and since both would have sucked anyways and this one sucks as much as the other one would have, then I'm gonna complain just so I can point out the stupidity of your average American.  Friggin stupid mofos racking up their credit cards and eating their stupid burgers and saying how the LOVE Obama without know a friggin goddam thing about him or his platform(which changes by the day) or his well, short political track record that's getting worse by the week everytime he opens his friggin mouth on television.

[KelarDrioktain]

What you are claiming is that either it was a unanimous vote, or that his own party did not vote for him. for 50% to vote due to an unpopular republican candidate, while he was not my first choice, the math simply doesn't add up. Or a third option, which is that over 75% of the country is republican, which we've seen time and time again isn't the case.

Please present proof, and not in the form of a poll or survey with less than 500,000 participants, as those are fairly unreliable, and present a small percent of the actual figures.

I'm not saying that the figures I presented are accurate across all of America, but for the 40-50 people I spoke to concerning the election in my college, yes, those figures are accurate.

McCain might not have been the first choice for many republicans, and his VP was fairly controversial too, as she was WAY too honest, but, I'd rather have someone who is honest, and tells us where he's going, and sticks to it, than a liar with a silver tongue.

McCain did have an established track record, military history, and no variance about his voting record. Obama doesn't have any of that. He does have a list of goals for the country... Have you ever read them. Some of them sound quite nice, Others... to be quite honest, scare me. I don't like the idea of a government-run militia larger than our military, on domestic grounds. That reeks of military takeover.

His health care ideas, while appealing, really aren't feasible. What medicaid is doing in South Carolina, seems to be working MUCH more effectively, as prior to 2008, the average medicaid patient was receiving an average of 2000 dollars in free medicine, paid by the hardworking American. Now, they get an average of less than 400 a month, and are still doing well as far as health care.

Please feel free to dispute anything I say.

[Rachel]

What you are claiming is that either it was a unanimous vote, or that his own party did not vote for him. for 50% to vote due to an unpopular republican candidate, while he was not my first choice, the math simply doesn't add up. Or a third option, which is that over 75% of the country is republican, which we've seen time and time again isn't the case.

Please present proof, and not in the form of a poll or survey with less than 500,000 participants, as those are fairly unreliable, and present a small percent of the actual figures.

I'm not saying that the figures I presented are accurate across all of America, but for the 40-50 people I spoke to concerning the election in my college, yes, those figures are accurate.

McCain might not have been the first choice for many republicans, and his VP was fairly controversial too, as she was WAY too honest, but, I'd rather have someone who is honest, and tells us where he's going, and sticks to it, than a liar with a silver tongue.

McCain did have an established track record, military history, and no variance about his voting record. Obama doesn't have any of that. He does have a list of goals for the country... Have you ever read them. Some of them sound quite nice, Others... to be quite honest, scare me. I don't like the idea of a government-run militia larger than our military, on domestic grounds. That reeks of military takeover.

His health care ideas, while appealing, really aren't feasible. What medicaid is doing in South Carolina, seems to be working MUCH more effectively, as prior to 2008, the average medicaid patient was receiving an average of 2000 dollars in free medicine, paid by the hardworking American. Now, they get an average of less than 400 a month, and are still doing well as far as health care.

Please feel free to dispute anything I say.

your right about all you said with McCain, the problem is, once he started running for president, he only seemed to follow on Obama's ideas that worked.  I would rather has someone that changes views based on a situation, then someone who just follows what other people say, we do not need another puppet for a president.

As for the medicare for south carolina, that is just amazing, its nice to see a cut in costs that doesn't hurt anyone.

But any way you see it, me personally would like to see where he is going, instead of just bashing him 4 months into his presidency.  Can we say jumping the gun and being impatient at all?
I will say it again, give the man some time before you trash on him.  If you just keep bashing now, all your doing is looking for a scapegoat to throw your irritations at, or just a reason to complain.  Give him some time to do things, if it all goes to hell bash all you want, but at least give him a chance.  Not like you have any choice in the matter.

[Annwyn]

The thing is, it's ALREADY gone all to hell.  And Obama's plans for fixing this hell he's inherited are only going to mess it up even more.  It's easy to look into the future and the experts agree, federal agencies of finance and borough of labor, etc.  After all he yapped his mouth, he should be doing a LOT more than just screwing junk up even more on TOP of yanking his chain further.

It's headed for disaster, hence why I'm ready to leave.

[KelarDrioktain]

This is quite true. I did not start the thread, merely stated that I agreed with it.

I can't find any huge flaws in it, except for the aforementioned statement that he voted for the war directly. Due to his track record, nobody can say whether he would or would not have voted for it.

I'm all for giving him a shot, to be honest, do we really have any choice in the matter? We're supposed to, but then, that's in the constitution, which we did away with in the 60's and 70's...

If we wanted to change the government peacefully, while we have the right to, and the tools to, would the present government really allow it? We've given them enough tools to stop any attempt, unless the enough of the military sided with the people, and were willing to risk their lives and disobey orders...

So, we'll sit here and watch, while he does his thing, and hope he doesn't screw it up too badly, and just maybe, keeps his word on half the things he's promised...

[V M]

Has there been a President in the last 50 or so years that wasn't a screw up?

[Rachel]

The thing is, it's ALREADY gone all to hell.  And Obama's plans for fixing this hell he's inherited are only going to mess it up even more.  It's easy to look into the future and the experts agree, federal agencies of finance and borough of labor, etc.  After all he yapped his mouth, he should be doing a LOT more than just screwing junk up even more on TOP of yanking his chain further.

It's headed for disaster, hence why I'm ready to leave.

well if your so dead set on leaving, then go ahead, because you whine and moan about stupid Americans that think "what can the govt do for me" and not "what can i do for the govt" yet your doing the exact thing.  "oh, its all heading to disaster, im leaving."  its the exact same mindset that you were earlier having issues with.  If your going to leave leave, if your going to complain, then do something about it instead of just venting at people.  Why not try and work yourself above the Americans that you spurn, instead of just following in their footsteps.

So many people have issues with complaining, do you have any good ideas, and if you do, why don't you run for president and try to do this country right.  If your not willing to do anything about it, then don't bother complaining because its not just your fellow citizen's fault or the presidents fault, it is your own as well.  We are all in this together, and we are all part of everything that goes wrong and right in it.

oh, and kelar, sorry if the final paragraph in my last post seemed directed at you, i more just meant it as a general statement not specifically towards you.  Apologies if it seemed directed specifically at you.