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Started by what2do, May 06, 2009, 04:15:57 PM

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what2do

Hi everyone, my dad has just informed me that he has gender dysphoria, he is in his fifties. my mum is no longer with us i dont think he would do this if she were still here. i dont know how to feel, i dont want him to do it, but i feel selfish saying this to him but i dont think i could cope if he went through with it.
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Miniar

Hey hun, welcome to Susan's.

Mind if I ask you, why do you believe you would be unable to cope if your father would transition?



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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what2do

i suppose it would just be very difficult, i have lost alot of people in my life and basically my dad is all i have left, so for him to drop this bombshell on me out of the blue feels a bit like ow that hurt ya no?! its a big shocker he was happily married to my mum when she was alive so i dont understand why this has all come to light now. i have alot of questions. he seems pretty dead set on going through with this though. he will always be my dad but not in the same way. how would i introduce him to my friends, colleagues etc? if i get married i wouldnt want him walking me down the aisle because it would be weird. i no its not really about me, and i have said to him it is his life, his body ergo his decision, but it feels harsh on me, its bound to but i do feel guilty for this. i want him to be happy, but it would sacrifice my happiness and the rest of our families.
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Miniar

Ofcourse his actions affect you, you're his child. You're allowed to feel scared and confused about this.
Perhaps it would help to just take some time and try to become a little more accustomed to the idea?

Just because he was happy with your mom doesn't make this any less real. We love who we love regardless of what we feel about ourselves, and maybe because of how much she meant to him he didn't want to take the chance he might loose her by becoming Herself.
That he came to you and talked to you and let you know does mean that you are important and that he would most want your blessing, it doesn't mean that you're supposed to give it right away or really at all, but you are told because he doesn't want to loose you either, which has to stand for something, neither one of you want to loose the other.

Just give it some time, and think about what's more important to you, your friend's reactions or your father's happiness.

You're not a bad person for feeling freaked out.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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what2do

its not really friends reactions though, its the fact that he has lived this long as he is why cant he continue and especially knowing that most of his family will hate what he is doing. but not hate him you understand. he says he will still be the same person but i dont think he would be really. he is excluding himself from alot of social situations and doesnt have many friends because he says he doesnt want to get close to anyone because of the dysphoria, but i think if he goes through this alone it will be alot harder for him. i dont understand why now?! why at all, he knows its too much for us to take after what we have been through he even said it so why do it.  ???
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Miniar

I'm sure he's taken all the reasons not to go through with it into account, we all do, but sometimes that still means that we have to make the hard choice, do the hard thing, and be who we are.
To many transsexuals it can become so hard not to transition that we'd rather be dead than to carry on being something we're not.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Bunnyfulwanderer

Quote from: what2do on May 06, 2009, 05:08:44 PM
its not really friends reactions though, its the fact that he has lived this long as he is why cant he continue and especially knowing that most of his family will hate what he is doing. but not hate him you understand. he says he will still be the same person but i dont think he would be really. he is excluding himself from alot of social situations and doesnt have many friends because he says he doesnt want to get close to anyone because of the dysphoria, but i think if he goes through this alone it will be alot harder for him. i dont understand why now?! why at all, he knows its too much for us to take after what we have been through he even said it so why do it.  ???

well from experience I can say once gender dysphoria becomes very strong, socializing as your birth sex becomes very hard as you can't get over the feeling any friendships built during this time are disingenuous and  based off a lie. With that in mind social withdrawal doesn't seem very unreasonable. believe me I have and still do behave this way somewhat.

I think you just need to work this out. you do and so does (s)he
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paulault55

I know this a shock to you but your dad has probably felt this way all his life but suppressed it do to his love of his family,  I'm 57 and started transition just last year, i held it in all those years and it cost me dearly. Just remember your dad is not going to change on the inside other than being more emotional, he's just doing some remodeling on the outside, and other than looking different will still be the same dad you know now.

I recommend getting the book True Selves it will help you understand how your dad has felt all these years and what's you can expect in the years to come. It is not and overnight thing but takes a few years.

Most of all your dad needs your love and support, he may lose friends, family, job on this journey.

HUGS!

Paula




I am a Mcginn Girl May 9 2011
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Ellieka

Hi What2do,

   First let me say how sorry I am that you and your father are having to go through this. Its not easy for anyone.

   Secondly, as Miniar said your not a bad person for feeling this way. You have every right to. I don't know how old you are but you have lived your whole life knowing him as a man. This news is like locking the breaks on a train going 100 mph. Its understandable that you feel confused and maybe even a little betrayed.

   Let me kind of give you a glimps of what your dad might be feeling though, it may help you come to understand better.

   I lived for 32 years as a man for the sake of my family and mostly my children. I tried to convince myself that this was all just a perversion and that it could be cured. I spent many sleepless nights and long days fighting the battle and loosing more ground every day. I became a very angry and depressed person who lashed out at anything and anyone because of my self hatred. I fought with myself over keeping it hidden or letting it out. If I told anyone would they hate me? would my family abandon me? Would my children be afraid to be seen with me? Would they push me out of their lives for ever? And even if my family or just my children would still love me what would it be like for me on my job or in everyday life? How would the world treat me? Would I be accepted in society? If I keep it hidden just how long can I live with out self destructing ?

   There are a million and one questions that he is or has asked himself and I'm sure you have been one of his reasons for waiting and hiding.

   I have two girls of my own and when I finally told them that I was transitioning their only question was:
"Are you still going to like computers?"
Basically what they were looking for was affirmation that I was still the same daddy that they loved. They still call me daddy and we have loads of fun together.

   sadly I have lost some of my family because they were not able to accept that this is a real medical problem and not some deviant sexual fetish. But at the end of the day I am happier and so much more at peace with myself and the world. I can love others and my children more freely and I can finally see that the glass really is half full.

   Let him know how you feel because I'm sure that is of concern to him otherwise he would not have told you much of anything. Be open to him and let the communication flow back and forth. It will help you understand whats going on and it will let him know that this decision impacts you just as much as  it does him.

Best of luck to you both.
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Ms Jessica

seconding most of the other comments.  My wife originally had some of the same reservations about me being the same person.  There's nothing to really say about it, aside from the fact that you'll see what happens to your Dad over time. 

My own experience: In the one year + that I've been in this process, my appearance has changed a lot but I still like to watch the same movies and TV shows, I still listen to the same music, and I still like a lot of the same things.  I don't buy the same kinds of clothes that I used to, but that's just because it looks a little odd for a girl to be shopping for guys' clothes.  :)  My wife has generally accepted that I'm the same person, and she doesn't think I've changed that much.  Don't get me wrong, I have changed, it's just that I'm not some other person, like Invasion of the Body Snatchers

It's very important for both of you to keep communication lines open right now.  Even if you think that what you might say would be hurtful, your Dad would probably appreciate your honesty.  You could say things like "I feel bad for telling you this, because I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life, but......" or whatever.  "I'm concerned about...."  I would definitely advise that you tell your Dad about your confusion, or how guilty you feel for feeling like you don't want him to transition.  It adds something to the conversation other than just a criticism, and might make him feel like the relationship is important to you, too. 

The most important thing is that you guys keep talking. 
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Sandy

Welcome to Susan's!

You're right.  She will always be your father.  But it can be awkward introducing her that way.  My kids introduce me using my name, Sandy, and leave it at that.  If anyone has any questions it is explained and let go at that.

This is a transition for your father, and you.  But she has had her whole life to come to grips with it, but you have been blindsided with it.  It will take time.  Keep talking to each other and explain your feelings, but please recognize that this is something that can't be stopped.

One of the things that won't change is the love you have for each other.  She still loves you.

And as far as marriage goes, if you still want her to walk you down the aisle, then let it be.  Or perhaps the two of you could agree on someone else to walk you down the aisle.  In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter?

This is a very difficult time, but it can make your relationship much stronger and you may see how much affection you can have for each other!

Please feel free to ask questions here and if she isn't already, have her become a member here as well.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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what2do

I just want to thank you all so much for your advice it really has helped. im 22 by the way, and in answer to the last question it actually would matter to me he is supposed to as my dad. i will keep you posted and look forward to some more advice and information
thanks all x
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Nero

Quote from: what2do on May 06, 2009, 04:15:57 PM
Hi everyone, my dad has just informed me that he has gender dysphoria, he is in his fifties. my mum is no longer with us i dont think he would do this if she were still here. i dont know how to feel, i dont want him to do it, but i feel selfish saying this to him but i dont think i could cope if he went through with it.

Hi. There've been a lot of great comments and advice here. I just wanted to address this part.
I'm sorry for the loss of your mum, and wondering if your dad is doing this now because s/he didn't want to put her through this while she was here. Many people wait until their kids are grown and family members have passed, thinking there will be less pain if they wait.
Or your mother's passing, may have awakened your dad to his/her own mortality and made him/her realize it's now or never.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Tina

Hello what2do

I was just told myself about my boyfriend.  Still trying to figure things out.  Not a easy thing to deal with thats for sure. I'm hurt and confused also.

The people here are very nice and friendly.  They have been there for me to answered alot of questions I have, and still do. I'm still torn between stay or leaving.  Not sure sometimes if I can handle all of this.  He hasn't said anything about changing, because of money.  But I know he would and has told me so. I know he's unhappy, but when I see his fem side he is happy. He has social issues also. Doesn't like crowds or loud noises.  Keeps to himself most of the time.

Tamtam or Cami

I would like to talk to someone but I really really don't want to post it up here.  It's personal.  Anyway we could do this????

Sorry but somethings you just don't want the world to know.

What2do, I wish you all the best and if you would like to chat get back to me

All of this is scary to be sure. 
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what2do

bluewolf check your messages

x
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Tina

trying to figure this place out and PM a few people I'm computer stupid.  Cami I'm trying to find  you also.  Crap
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Nero

Hi Bluewolf. You won't be able to respond to pms until 15 posts.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Ellieka

Bluewolf,

I sent you my email address, you can email me if you like :)
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Tina

I understand trust me,  don't like to post unless I have a clue what I'm talking about.  You and I are in the same boat.  I can't PM you.  Still new to all this so forgive me.  Can't even check my messages.  I'm working on it.  I have a email address I'd like to give you.  But need to find it first not the one I normally use.  Just to be on the safe side.

Keep your chin up 

I'll be in touch
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avmorgan

I've only been on here for a couple of days, so this might seem to be coming a bit late, but I feel like I might be able to give you a little insight on top of the responses you have already gotten.

The first thing I want to say is that many of us (transgendered people) find it very hard to live for ourselves. In most ways, we are like anyone else; we want to be a part of the world around us and be seen and accepted for who we are. Unfortunately, appearance plays a huge part in how people see us, no matter who we are, and that affects the way people relate to us. No one is entirely what they appear to be, and the difference between the person we are inside and the person we appear to be can cause problems for just about anyone. No one gets to choose what they look like, and the person you really are is something you have to discover for yourself. You look at what feels right, natural and normal for you to be and to do, and you identify yourself accordingly. Gender is part of that identity, it is based more on who you are as a person than what you are as an organism. If you've ever looked at your picture or reflection, or the things you've said or done, and felt that it was not right, or that it was not quite you, you've felt a little of what a transgendered person feels every moment of his or her life. A conflict between who you are, your gender, and what you are, your sex, is something you can never really escape from.

The amazing thing about people is that they can choose how to think and act, and control how they react to their feelings, so when a transgendered person--a girl in a boy's body, for example--is growing up, she starts out thinking and acting in a manner characteristic of most girls. This starts even before she knows what the difference between male and female really is. She has no idea why people tell her to stop doing what comes naturally and act "like a boy" but to make people happy, she does what she is told, even though it is uncomfortable or feels outright wrong to her. No matter how good she gets at being a boy, that feeling of wrongness never goes away, because of course she is acting, not being. I can tell you, from experience, that you can go a long time not being yourself, if there are people you care about that expect this from you. The problem is, you cannot live your entire life trying to be something you are not. It poisons you, it tears you apart, and while you tell yourself to be strong and to "be a man" about it, you are doing more damage to yourself every day.

The consequences are worse the more successful you are in life as a man, because it all comes at the cost of denying who you really are as a person. You will be living and experiencing everything as a man, and in virtually every way, you will be as much as if not more of a man than any man around you. In a lot of ways, that is because the measure of a man is often based on what he does, not who he is. I think that's a flaw of our whole species, that we tend to value men and women for what they are, what they do, than for who they are. I think that most of societies' problems can be blamed on the fact that we only value a few people in our lives for who they are. That is what we call love. Unfortunately, our love for people can be tied up with how we perceive them as people. How you see someone plays a huge part in how you hold them in your heart and mind, and because our physical perceptions form the basis of our memories a person's physical appearance plays a huge part in how we see them.

I always knew I was a girl, but because my body was male and because I was always seen as a boy, the love my family had for me could never be for me. Because of him, they never knew me. I had to pretend to be something I was not in order for them to love me, and I did it, no matter how much it hurt, because I loved them. Unfortunately, the longer I went on denying myself, the harder it became to live for myself. I had no hopes or dreams. I had to give up everything I wanted to be and most of the things I wanted to do to be able to play the part I was trapped in. When I went off to college, and no longer had my family to perform for, I literally fell apart. I did not know how to live. I wanted to just be me, but my body would not let me. All I had to do was relax, and I would slip back to thinking, feeling and acting like a girl, but exhibiting that behavior in a man's body only made me more conscious of how wrong my body was for me.

The older I get, the more I feel like I will grow old and die without ever having lived. I gave up so much out of love for my family, but when my siblings all moved on, making new lives and starting families of their own, and when my mom got cancer and died, I realized that I was lost without them. I did not have an intimate place in their lives, and I had no life of my own. I spent my whole adult life unable to stay on my feet because the life I had was an act, a lie that no longer served a purpose. I came out to my family, and they asked me not to change myself, and yet, they all want me to pull myself together and have a happy and successful life. In the end, the cost of their love became impossible. I would have gone on doing this for them, but when they asked me to do it for me they could not understand that what they were asking for would destroy me.

All I ever wanted from my family was to be loved for who I was, no matter what I happened to be. When you father told you about his gender issues, he was asking you for the same thing.
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