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Started by kblossoms, May 03, 2009, 12:47:19 AM

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kblossoms

Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I've exprienced the jealousy I am feeling now towards women.  I think I really blocked that out totally for a long time.  I used to come home from high school and cry that I wasn't going to the all girls school across the street from the sports academy I was sent to.  When I became an adult, I just sort of dropped out of society.  Too painful.  Lots of anger at women and paralysing jealousy.  I think now that things are a little closer...that functioning as a female seems feasible and within reach (should I survive the disease I'm fighting) makes it even harder. 

I find myself fighting to not sexualize those feelings.  This has been SUCH a problem for me all my life.  Deep down, I sooo seriously want to find a good man to 'couple' with.   A dream I have barely dreamed.  I've been repulsed by the idea of dating women.  It always seemed degrading and humilating.  I detest the sex part...detest being the man.  Bleh.  But I've had lots of bdsm fantasies over the years, and in times of deep stress, they come back pretty hard.  It's like I'm taking all that anguish over being cheated out of my girlhood/womanhood and hurting myself further.  Looking at the torture and sexualizing it, as if to nullify it.  Is this making sense to anyone else?

I just want to be normal, normal.  I always felt so baffled about women's lives.  Until I could see that I was a woman.  That I needed to fill in the blank and live the life I always expected to lead. 

thanks for listening
K.
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V M

Hey friend, there is no need to hate women. (well maybe a couple of them)
Embrace them, befriend them and learn from them. Turn that frown upside down and smile smile smile  :laugh: Turn a brighter light upon the subject. Sure, I catch a few gals around here (where I live) talkin' 'bout the "bra less horsey girl" but I don't let it bother me. And who do you think they come to when the need help?  :laugh: Sure, sometimes they're a bit catty, but that's all part of it  :laugh: Just be your own girl
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Cindy

Hi
As Virginia said there is no reason to hate woman just because you are jealous. I think hate might be wrong. I get very jealous in some situations but I think a lot of girls do. Guys tend to not get jealous in my experience. But us girls! Even close friends, Oh I love that skirt, translated means you bitch I have one like it and I can't wear it now.

How many girls at a wedding are jealous of the bride? All of them :laugh:, if she's pretty and everything goes smoothly.

In my opinion jealousy is one of our networking systems.  You are having coffeee with a friend and of course you have to talk about another friend, then you coffee with her and tell them what the first one said etc etc.

I know yor situation is a little different to that but if you are TG you are no doubt jealous of people who can openly express their true sexuality.

Oh and Welcome

:-* :-* :-*

Cindy James
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Janet_Girl

I don't hate women, but I am jealous of two things.  The way they look from behind, from the waist down.  I just want a bigger butt and wider hips.  And to rid of the birth defect and have a vagina.

Janet
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kblossoms

I've given this post a lot of thought.  I never used the word "hate" but I suppose that must be how I come across.  A lot of people have pointed out how much of an effect the city I'm in has on me.  It's extremely conservative and homophobic, and I've known several crossdressers to be outright arrested by the police!  My point is that it's a very polarized environment.  I've tried very hard to have female friends and when it works, it's wonderful...but starting out seems nearly impossible.  Women seem to think my interest is totally in sex..which is the LAST thing I want!  And I don't feel comfortable pretending to be a gay man.  It's a role that totally does not fit.  I'm not a man. 

Women and girls have been very cruel to me.  It gave me a pretty weird view, growing up.  I had so many girls go out of their way to point and laugh at me, to tell me they'd cut their wrists before dating me...just out of the blue.  It's been very hard to form a concept of a woman as caring or compassionate.  I've seen most of them as strictly opportunistic and self-absorbed (which is partly true I guess). 

I'm really trying to be realistic.  I woke up today and sat on the bed and felt so totally female, in spite of everything.  I though what a strange being I was to feel this way, to feel the absense of breasts on my chest and how everything about being female fit me except for this crazy body. 

I don't want to ramble, but I wanted to get back to this post.  I'm still very, very sick and there is no end in sight (no cure or particularly useful treatment) so my life is mostly consumed with just staying alive.  But if I can function again, I won't be making any excuses for starting RLT.   I need to breathe, my soul needs to breathe and RLT certainly is the first breath.   

Thank you for your responses.

Kellianna
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Kellianna on May 03, 2009, 12:47:19 AM
Hi everyone,

It's been a while since I've exprienced the jealousy I am feeling now towards women. 

I can understand the envy but because I am TS I see myself as a woman and not a man. If I look at a typical female of my age group I'm not doing badly but to make comparisons to someone younger is really unfounded.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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K8

Hi Kellianna,

Don't despair.  You aren't that much different from a lot of us here.  You need somone to talk to about this, to help you work through things.  Right now it is all confused and confusing.

As I have become more open with myself and others, I find I watch women more - to see how they are dressed and how they are acting and carrying themselves.  Some don't do it well and others are terrific.  It is hard to have a close girlfriend-to-girlfriend relationship when the other woman doesn't recognize you as a girl.  There is always the barrier of sex.  Eventually you can overcome that, but it will take a while.

I don't know that you have to pretend to be a gay man.  Some women can sense that you are not interested in them sexually.  They may be confused a bit by that, since they are so used to men seeing them that way, but a few might recognize that you aren't doing that.  It may help if you present yourself as an androgyne - both and neither male or female.

You're going through a tough age.  Things can and will get better.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Genevieve Swann

I am sometimes envious over large breasts however, not actually jealous. Forunately where I live (Utah) there are many homely women. I can look better than them. I love it when my GG friend are jealous of me.

Steffi

I went up to my girly-friends house last night, a Saturday.....
There was a small group of natal girls around 20 years old on the tram with me. They were heading off into the city all dolled up and it made me feel SO depressed.
I was a bit low in mood anyway and comparing myself to girls 30+ years younger is obviously not a good idea...... but even so.

Yes, I was GREEN with envy.
To those who understand, I extend my hand
To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am
Not under your command, I know where I stand
I won't change to fix your plan, Take me as I am (Dreamtheatre - As I Am)
I started out with nothing..... and I still have most of it left.
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Shryke

I can understand the jealousy complex to a degree. I am really young and told to be good looking, and physically with clothes on I definately am on par with my rather good looking group of girlfriends. I'm not jealous of  their female body's- because I have one too. The only thing I envy I suppose is the functioning vagina. And while even having one surgically placed there, I will never be able to become a mother. I'm only 21 and have a while to worry about that but I do admit that when my friends get older and start marrying guys, and even if I marry one as well- I'll never really be able to actually have a baby as a product of myself and my husband/boyfriend.

     Even though I may very well be the most attractive female in my friend circle that gets plenty attention from guys- not even my friends know I'm trans so I suppose it gives me something to be ashamed about and though I am confident, I do sometimes feel defeated by the ordeal. So this coming from someone who passes very well and even ends up being quite  attractive- it's not all happy hunky dory. There is always something to desire. It's all about coming to the conclusion of what your happiness threshold is! Since everything else came so easy, my only desires right now is a very good SRS result and the ability to start a family someday. I will never be able to do the latter out of my body, so I have to settle with adoption or surrogacy- but I can damn well hope for a good SRS result!
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Shryke

Yep, it's part of growing up to set realistic goals. As long as we are happy.
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Michelle.

An excellent analysis of the difference between jealousy and envy, posted here at Susans.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,59821.0.html
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Vexing

As arrogant as it is, when I'm in situations where the green eyed monster rears its reptilian head, I always like to remind myself that I while I might not be as <something> as someone else, I'm much more <something> than them.
i.e. "She might be cuter than me, but on the intellectual quickness scale, she's a sloth to my mongoose" or "She might have a better haircut than mine, but my wardrobe kicks the crap out of hers".
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K8

We are all different and bring different things to the world.  Actually, the world would be pretty dull if we were all the same.  (And nothing would get done, because everyone would want to get this done and ignore that.)

Be happy in who you are.  I see young beautiful women and think: How wonderful for them that they are young and beautiful - I hope for them that they gain wisdom as they get older. 

I've earned my wrinkles and creases and it took me a long time to do it.  It hasn't always been easy, and I wasn't gifted with attributes that others were, but I'm doing pretty well with the hand that was dealt me.

For me, one of the reasons to transition is to become comfortable with who I am.  Isn't that part of what life is all about?

In a philosophical mood,
Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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kblossoms

Thanks for everyone's replies and some very good reminders. 

I had a pretty fine day yesterday.  I got dressed up in a casual summery outfit and went to the mall for a makeover at Sephora!  That made me feel really good.  The girl who did the makeup was incredibly nice and afterwards I looked and felt gorgeous.  None of my clothes fit (lost a lot of weight recently) and my shoes were too tight, but I was still just floating.  Definitely good therapy.  Made me feel so much more secure about being "one of the girls" - a feeling that has continued.  And not feeling threatened, or like some hopeless ugly duckling....just feeling RIGHT. 

I had to talk myself out of visiting the guy at the coffeeshop I have a crush on.  He's never seen me in girlmode before, but he will soon.

Kelli

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K8

Congratulations, Kelli.

It is always wonderful to be who you are and have others accept that.

Good luck on your encounter with the cute coffee-shop guy.  Let us know how you fare.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Cloe_Ho

Please do not hate, but embraced them, since you are one. They did not do anything to you. Get past this and be happy.
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