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Started by scarboroughfair, May 16, 2009, 06:53:13 AM

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scarboroughfair

I don't wanna sound like a fruit cake here, but....

I'm programmed for self destruction! lol

When I was a teen back in the 80's, I went through my mind to figure out what I was capable of and so on.

I figured if I ever lost my mind, I will off my self in an instant if anyone around me was in harms way because of me.

Am I the type?

I think I am, I will never hurt anyone whether I think they deserve it or not!

If I ever lost it, I will just off myself, no games or procrastinating.

Back then I knew I was the type to lose it, but never did till the past couple of years.

I lose me everyday...

It gets easier every day not to conform to society's standards of who I'm supposed to be because I was born a guy!

WHAT! I'm supposed to go kill people over seas because my king says it's O.K.?! Let god sort it out if there is such a being. Though shall not kill! DUH!

I believe that balls (Which I wish were not there) to bone!

I will off myself before I kill another human.

The ONLY exception is if my or my family's safety was at risk.
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aisha

wow, thats pretty noble, but why not just not kill anyone and have some tea or something?
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Feever

Quote from: scarboroughfair on May 16, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
I will off myself before I kill another human.

The ONLY exception is if my or my family's safety was at risk.

I feel kinda the same way, but I guess I have a very broad idea of what family is.  As a member of the US Armed Forces, I believe that all US citizens are my family.  Thankfully I have never never been in the position where I had to raise my weapon against a perceived enemy.  I have been to combat zones several times, but I guess I am just very lucky.
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aisha

People from the U.S. come from all over the world
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Miniar

And herein we differ hun.
If it was a matter of "them" or "me", I'd take the life of someone else to save my own. Which is rather strange considering just how self destructive I've been...

Hmm.. I'm going to have to go and meditate on this topic for a while



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Cloe_Ho

Quote from: scarboroughfair on May 16, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
I don't wanna sound like a fruit cake here, but....

I'm programmed for self destruction! lol

When I was a teen back in the 80's, I went through my mind to figure out what I was capable of and so on.

I figured if I ever lost my mind, I will off my self in an instant if anyone around me was in harms way because of me.

Am I the type?

I think I am, I will never hurt anyone whether I think they deserve it or not!

If I ever lost it, I will just off myself, no games or procrastinating.

Back then I knew I was the type to lose it, but never did till the past couple of years.

I lose me everyday...

It gets easier every day not to conform to society's standards of who I'm supposed to be because I was born a guy!

WHAT! I'm supposed to go kill people over seas because my king says it's O.K.?! Let god sort it out if there is such a being. Though shall not kill! DUH!

I believe that balls (Which I wish were not there) to bone!

I will off myself before I kill another human.

The ONLY exception is if my or my family's safety was at risk.

When I was told that I was not the only one with these feelings; I must admit that I am not. I needed to talk to a professional about what is going on in my head. I needed to do that to keep myself in check at all time. That is why I do not drink or use drugs. Because, I know if it only takes a fraction of a second to make a life changing mistake and I could not afford to do that. Because, I love my family too much.
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Syne

Actually the commandment is "thou shalt not murder" instead of the "not kill". It was a mistake in some of the original translations and has only recently begun to be fixed.
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Kay

Hi scarboroughfair,
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I'm pretty much the same way.  Though, I'm of the opposite opinion...such feelings often do not come from knowing yourself (though they may)...but rather oft times they come from not knowing...or valuing...yourself.
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As I said, I'm much the same.  I would never choose to hurt someone, even if I know they probably deserve it.  I have been far too kind to such people in the past.  I would never purposely kill someone.  If I ever did kill someone...even if by accident...I would have to seriously consider whether I deserved the breath in my own lungs for having taken something so precious and irreplaceable from someone else.  I honestly don't know if I could live with myself.
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Now...it's not a bad thing to be that way.  Certainly not for others.  But it can be bad for you.
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Some would consider the above noble.  Though, that would mean such feeling arose from some "superiority of mind or character or of ideals or morals." (As Webster would put it)  Does this feeling come solely from a deep respect for life and the quality of others' lives?  Without recognizing that you are also deserving of the same?
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Others would say that it comes from fear.  Fear of yourself.  Of what you're capable of.  Of what anyone is capable of.  Fear can lead to overreaction.  Even a toddler is capable of poking your eye out with a knife.  We don't let them play with knives because they don't understand many things, and aren't very good at controlling themselves.  Once we have that understanding and have learned control, we don't need to guard ourselves so rigorously.  Guarding yourself 24/7 from something...from anything...is exhausting.  Not guarding yourself for every little thing though...means that you have to be willing to accept the possibility of mistakes.  Having the ability to forgive ones self should something bad happen though, is another issue entirely.
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For me, parts of the above have been valid at times.  Though, it's largely something different.  It's very easy to be selfless...when there is no self.  Growing up, there wasn't a day that went by that I wasn't told in one way or another "you can't be you."  From the snide comments, to the physical beatings, and everything in between. Coupled with a rather harsh paranoid religious culture, withdrawing was really the only defense that I had.  Withdrawing from others.  Withdrawing from life itself.  Even withdrawing within from myself.  In order to value yourself on an equal footing with others...you have to be able to see that self in the same light.  Otherwise 'selflessness'...doesn't really mean the same thing as 'noble'...it's more literally an absence of self.
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And while I am loathe to harm others, I have learned over time that some people will take everything that they can from you...draining you dry.  Setting boundaries for your own well-being...your own self-respect, self-esteem, self-defense, etc...is necessary.  If establishing such boundaries harms someone else...it only means that they were taking too much to begin with...harming you in the process.
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Religion?  Even those who believe in the bible have differing opinions about which translation of that passage is correct...and which different interpretation of either translation is correct.  And...heh...you get the idea...I'll stop now before I get flamed.
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Society?  I don't think that society is so rigid regarding expectations of the male populace.  (in-so-far as regarding killing and military service)  In the military...even for extreme pacifists like us, there is still the choice to be a medic...or some other non-combat role...or even conscientious objection. 
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And despite the above...I still feel much the same way as you.  If I had to, if it was the only way to keep me from killing someone else...I probably would kill myself.  Knowing myself though...it's unlikely that things would ever get that bad.  It's just not in me.  It's just not who I am. 
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Someone who feels guilty about flushing spiders...probably doesn't need to worry so much about such extremes.  ;)
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I think I'll take Aisha's suggestion and have some tea.  :)
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Inanna

Quote from: Miniar on May 18, 2009, 07:36:51 AM
And herein we differ hun.
If it was a matter of "them" or "me", I'd take the life of someone else to save my own. Which is rather strange considering just how self destructive I've been...

Hmm.. I'm going to have to go and meditate on this topic for a while

If it was me or a stranger, I'd usually save myself. 

If it was me or a family member (and I consider close friends as family), I'd die for them.

I don't know why, but that's just the way I feel.  Of course it differs on the situation.  Like... if the stranger was a child or the parent of several children who were standing there watching their father or mother about to die, I couldn't stand idly by even if it meant my own life.
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Lucy

Im sorry to say if therde was a choice I would stand in the way so that I could die in dignity.
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