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Started by Kyla, May 31, 2009, 11:20:26 PM

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tekla

I taught for years at a major engineering school.  One of my classes, the History of Technology was ever so popular for engineers, a huge amount of them took it to fulfill what token liberal arts requirements we had for them.  It was swell, I was the only history teacher who got blueprints to grade.  (Lucky for me I could read blueprints, I can read a schematic too, but I thought that was going too far.)  And the issue of 'engineers solve problems' fascinated me.  So much so I had that as my first assignment, one they couldn't turn in a blueprint for but actually had to write on.  (I can hear the collective 'gasp' still echo in my tiny little mind.)

So, here is the problem - as engineers you know, they are problem solvers and all that.

If, engineers solve problems, who exactly is it that gets to define what a 'problem' is?

I'll be back later to check in on you, in the meantime I have a bunch of stage plots to convert from drawings to reality for Miss Neko Case.  As always in this stuff, making the drawings is easy, putting it together, well, some assembly required.
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Jesslee

Quote from: tekla on June 09, 2009, 09:18:44 AM

So, here is the problem - as engineers you know, they are problem solvers and all that.

If, engineers solve problems, who exactly is it that gets to define what a 'problem' is?


Whosoever haveth the money!!!!

Unless you are lucky enough to stay within academia and can get the grants (and near slave labor gradstudent wages) for your own research.

however with engineers currently the number 1 most in demand employees (in this country) they should be able to find work on problems they are interested in!
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PinkSunshine

Quote from: tekla on June 09, 2009, 09:18:44 AM

If, engineers solve problems, who exactly is it that gets to define what a 'problem' is?


Well, in todays society, sometimes it is the field of acadamia that creates problems just so their students can solve. However, traditionally speaking, they say that "necessity is the mother of all invention." In this case, that means the 'problem' is whatever we are not currently capable of doing or understand at the time. Whether it be a new technology to create near limitless energy, or to understand the origin of the cosmos, it is our 'need' to explore different things that we come across. Sometimes, engineers come up with problems themselves in the process of solving other problems. That is what I think anyway  :icon_wink:.
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stacyB

Quote from: VanessaPink on June 09, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
Sometimes, engineers come up with problems themselves in the process of solving other problems. That is what I think anyway  :icon_wink:.

That pretty much sums up quantum physics in a nutshell...  :D ::) 8)
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Steph

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Birdie

I've always worked in hospitality, mostly as a dishpig. *oink!*

But this year I started going to floristry school, and by the end of next year I'll be a completely qualified florist and hopefully have a job in a flower shop! :) :icon_flower:
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Alena43

Hello Everyone,

I have been a soldier, a casino dealer, a bouncer, a valet, a sales person, and now I am a long haul truck driver.

Hugzzzz,
kristi
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Kara

Let's see...I've been unemployed since last October and I'm not minding it in the least. Of course, I'll take money if it comes my way, but I don't mind relaxing either. Right now, I'm living at college and financial aid pays for everything.
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ZoeySD

Another geek/artist here :P

Have a masters in computer science.
Currently doing IT/website stuff which I hate.
Need to find a software developing gig.
And am a wannabe musician  :D
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Cindy

Probably a biased sample.
Also biased by Internet access and use.
Use to searching so we find sites.
Problem solvers
Can afford to transition?
Not use to intimidation and can think.

What else do engineers do? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Love
Cindy, a non-engineer
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Sandra Ts

I'm still a student in class 12.

Sandra Ts
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Galantha

I work the line in a cheese factory.

I graduated with honors with a degree in computer science :).

I am just happy to have a job.

-- Galantha
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Kara

I'm an unemployed college student with my own business. Does that make sense?  :D

Edit: Oh wait, I already said that. That's what I get for trying to post when I'm sleepy.
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Hannah

Quote from: Galantha on July 08, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
I work the line in a cheese factory

That is so coolio! I've been looking around for something, but I don't know what really. Whatever I find will likely be my last non-psych related job so I'm hoping to find something...interesting. My favorite job of all time was delivering pizzas, but I'd be open to cooking hamburgers or milking cows, just something routine and normal to switch gears from school for a few hours a day.
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ginger39

I am not an engineer!

However, I do have a BS degree where I had a double major of Biology and Physics and minored in Math. I also have a MS degree in Biology and am a Doctoral Candidate in Secondary and Higher Education.

Now for the good news. I work in retail mixing paint. I came to the conclusion long ago that if 100 people applied for a job and I was by far the most qualified of the 100 then I might get the job if the other 99 applicants turned it down. I never really fully understood why until this last year. As a result I stopped trying to fit into "their" world, lost 70 pounds, died my hair red, pierced my ears and walk and talk as feminine as my body naturally wants to. As a result I am a much happier person. Just got to get that dissertation project done.

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tekla

I read a survey a year or two ago, I'll try to find it, that looked at people finishing the dissertation and found those with outside jobs - retail, I worked as a roadie and tech director for a nightclub and installing car stereos - finished at a higher rate than those that took the TA/teaching/RA stuff.  So good luck.  I finished mine, taught for a decade, and decided I loved doing rock shows more, and now do that full time.  I love my work, what I do, the people I work with, the fringe bennies, all of it.
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ginger39

Quote from: tekla on July 08, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
I read a survey a year or two ago, I'll try to find it, that looked at people finishing the dissertation and found those with outside jobs - retail, I worked as a roadie and tech director for a nightclub and installing car stereos - finished at a higher rate than those that took the TA/teaching/RA stuff.  So good luck.  I finished mine, taught for a decade, and decided I loved doing rock shows more, and now do that full time.  I love my work, what I do, the people I work with, the fringe bennies, all of it.

That is interesting. I should have been done last year but I didn't match up well with my first adviser and my wife got very ill. I think if I really put forth the effort I can graduate in May. It would be nice not to have to worry about that sucker anymore.
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tekla

It is quite a millstone around the neck, I know all too well.  You would think that finishing it would be a big deal, but all I felt was burned out - more like the way that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer feels good when it stops, but its not like a 'good' good feeling.
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Noa

So far so good for my first post, but I guess I chose an easy one to start with.  :)

Computer developer, 2D/3D artist. I love photography and writing, but are more of a hobby at the moment.

QuoteSo, here is the problem - as engineers you know, they are problem solvers and all that.

If, engineers solve problems, who exactly is it that gets to define what a 'problem' is?
In my field, it's more of a "What task must the computer solve?", followed by, "How do I make the computer do it?".
And from there it's all problem solving, since usually there isn't a streamlined way of doing you need.
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tekla

Well, to answer the question, "Who defines the problems?"  Society tends to in the end.  Engineering tends to follow - if not worship - money (its the mother's milk of more than politics 'ya know), and at some point, putting up the money for the solution is a social/cultural deal, not an engineering deal. And the end decision - to adopt or not - is never an engineering solution, its always a social and cultural decision. 

That's why solutions exist that are not put into practice.

The Greeks had steam power.  They used it for a trick or two, like opening the doors to the Temple at Delphi when one went to see the Oracle.  But they never sought to apply that power on a more widespread basis, saving labor was not in the best interest of a slave culture.  Keeping slaves busy - not idle - is in the best interest of a slave culture.

Or, try this one.  The Chinese invented/discovered gunpowder.  They used it to create one of the most beautiful technological things in the history of the world, aerial pyrotechnics - fireworks to the layperson.  When the Europeans saw them, their first thought was, "hey, lets use that to kill people" and promptly invented the gun and the cannon.  A society like China, one that valued harmony and stability had less than zero use for a weapon that would allow a small group to equalize its numeric disadvantage with a larger group.  Europe at that time saw it in just the opposite way.

Even the choice of what task a computer must/should solve is driven by market forces more than anything else.  While Woz may have been a true engineer, looking for a way to make somethings work in a smaller and more user friendly way - it was the apps as it were (and two in particular, word processing and spreadsheets/accounting) that really drove the initial sales of personal computers by radically changing the way two basic business tasks were accomplished. Computers still are used for the basic reason they were invented - doing mass calculations - but to put on in every office, and then every home, required it doing something more than stress calculations or working though firing solutions for weapons (the original two uses).  And while Woz and Apple deserve a lot of praise for what they did, Wang with its original word processing machines, and Lotus 1-2-3 deserve some credit for doing things that first business, and then ordinary persons wanted to do.

So while engineers 'solve' problems, they don't often get to define what the 'problem' to be solved is. 
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