Boy I Am Documentary

[Jamie-o]

Hate to say it, but if this were still the case, we wouldn't have so many of these college girls getting murdered on campus. Don't think that was as much a 'rights' thing as a safety thing. I agree with the rest of what you're getting at though.

So why not give men the curfew, since they perform 90% of violent crime?  Yes I realize that wouldn't work, since not all the crime is being committed by college students.  My point is that women had restrictions put on them that men didn't.  And it was taken to ridiculous extremes.  One of my Aunt's roommates was a nurse, working her way through college.  She was constantly being punished for missing curfew, even though she was at work.

What, you mean the gals in the nineteenth century? 

Yes, them too.  And the ones at the beginning of the 20th who got women the vote.  We've come a very long way as a society in the last hundred years or so.  And we've advanced by leaps and bounds in the lat 50.  Still a ways to go, though.

Technoir - That's the problem with the written word.  No facial or vocal cues.    And I agree, what started as a necessary thing has morphed into something pretty negative and petty.  You can't expect equality when you're also preaching hate.  More flies with honey, and all that. 

[gravitysrainbow]

I just watched the first ten minutes and then got really pissed at the whole "don't forget those who paved the way" thing. There really is a huge disconnect between the actual experience of being dysphoric and what many feminists seem to think the motives of transmen are. It makes me feel like there will never be able to be a proper dialogue about the issue, because it's so hard for non-trans people to understand what it's like to be trans. I don't want to transition because I've "given up trying to be a woman," or because I don't care about the strides that feminists have made. Neither of those things should apply to me. I was never a woman to begin with, and my transition is not a rejection of the efforts of feminists.

Ugh. Anyway, on a lighter note, Nicco was super cute.

[Dominic]

There really is a huge disconnect between the actual experience of being dysphoric and what many feminists seem to think the motives of transmen are. It makes me feel like there will never be able to be a proper dialogue about the issue, because it's so hard for non-trans people to understand what it's like to be trans. I don't want to transition because I've "given up trying to be a woman," or because I don't care about the strides that feminists have made. Neither of those things should apply to me. I was never a woman to begin with, and my transition is not a rejection of the efforts of feminists.

Agreed. I've heard a few feminists saying that we go through transistion just because we want "male privilege", completely discounting the experience of being in the wrong body. I just find that perspective so exasperating sometimes...

[gravitysrainbow]

Agreed. I've heard a few feminists saying that we go through transistion just because we want "male privilege", completely discounting the experience of being in the wrong body. I just find that perspective so exasperating sometimes...

Yeah. I'll admit that male privilege exists, but it's never crossed my mind as a motive for transition. Also, I'm a pretty feminine guy, and I'm gay, so I won't necessarily be receiving it anyway. Or at least not nearly as much as some feminists would argue.

[Arch]

Yeah. I'll admit that male privilege exists, but it's never crossed my mind as a motive for transition. Also, I'm a pretty feminine guy, and I'm gay, so I won't necessarily be receiving it anyway. Or at least not nearly as much as some feminists would argue.

Not to mention that (from my observations, anyway) a large portion of male privilege consists of what the male demands and expects. A lot of transguys receive a certain degree of male privilege but don't take advantage of all they could because they weren't raised as boys/men and don't insist on taking all that they can.

[Jamie-o]

I agree with you guys, but in all fairness, if you watch to the end, most of the women making those statements admit that while that was their initial reaction, as their partners transitioned they came to realize that it wasn't what they thought.

[Lachlann]

I agree with you guys, but in all fairness, if you watch to the end, most of the women making those statements admit that while that was their initial reaction, as their partners transitioned they came to realize that it wasn't what they thought.

I don't think we were referring to the partners of the ftms. I wasn't, anyway.

[perfectisolation]

Ugh. Anyway, on a lighter note, Nicco was super cute.

Yeah 

I mean.... I liked how the film featured him, cause I saw his webpage and he looked great.
The feminist thing was kinda a turnoff but I learned a little about lesbians and radical feminism. I'm curious though how the butch lesbians, especially Carmen the "male identified woman" or w/e make it in this world of hate. I imagine she must get a lot of crap from people. Oh and Southern Comfort has to be the best ftm docu I've seen. Either that or the one about the Danny guy, I can't remember the name of it tho.