And the most liberal city and most conservative city

[DarkLady]

According to one research organization the most liberal city in the USA is Detroit, MI and most conservative Provo, UT. The hole study included 237 bigger cities.

[NicholeW.]

And where does Helsinki fall along that continuum?

DL, does it ever strike you at all that your concerns about the USA should maybe take at least second place to what might be your concerns about your own city and homeland?

Just askin.'

[Michelle.]

I wouldn't want to live in either city.

Detriot is what one might term as being in a state of FUBAR. F'ed up beyond all repair.

Provo as in Utah, no thanks.

I second what Nichole said in the above.

[Miniar]

And?

[GinaDouglas]

I'm from Detroit, and it used to be a great place.  Thanks to the auto industry, anybody could get a good job.  Even if you didn't work in the industry, you made good money, because if other employers didn't pay well, they would lose workers to the auto plants.  Auto workers spread their money around in stores, resteraunts and bars.  It was the truest realization of the American Dream.  Detroit was liberal, because common people ruled. 

If Detroit is FUBAR now, so is that dream.

[DarkLady]

I liked the previous answer! 

[lisagurl]

[Michelle.]

I could buy that whole block for 10K. An individual house for $300.

No kidding guys, check out the Detriot foreclosure listings.

We could set up a whole Trans community for about 25 grand.

Then again we would be living in Detriot.

[sd]

Yeah, you can buy in Detroit cheap, but where do you work? Unemployment is rampant, which is why there are so many foreclosures.

Provo? No F'ing thank you. I lived between Salt Lake and Ogden for 2 years, that was more than enough for me. That was bad enough, Provo is worse.

[Michelle.]

Heres an interesting link, from the UK Telegraph newspaper by way of the Drudge Report.

Apparently the Obama Admin is considering bulldozing large portions of US cities that are in decline.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html

I have to admit, I actually find myself agreeing with his Greatness.

[NicholeW.]

The idea presented in the link make a heckuva lot of sense, and nods toward sensibility as well. I could see that happening in some areas of Philly. There's no longer anything to support the housing lots of folks have no jobs abd haven't had them for awhile. The city center is re-rising, but those folks living there are often living on investment income or upper-level management salaries. Ok, so maybe the center-city boom is about to go bust as well.

[Alyssa M.]

Oh, great, the spirit of Robert Moses lives on. 

How about we tax the hell out out emitting CO2, and then we can bulldoze Levittown instead and plant a potato field there?

[lisagurl]

then we can bulldoze Levittown instead and plant a potato field there?

They beat around the bush and refuse to admit that the world is over populated. Think of the consequences when they admit the problem.

[DarkLady]

2nd place on liberalism: Gary, IN
2nd place on conservativism: Lubbock, TX

[lisagurl]

According to wiki, Gary has a per capita income of about 14,000 USD.

In fact, Gary held the "honors" for being the murder capital of the nation ...
Notice the clean air!



http://www.pbase.com/mcc2000/image/34523518

[Michelle.]

Oh, great, the spirit of Robert Moses lives on. 

How about we tax the hell out out emitting CO2, and then we can bulldoze Levittown instead and plant a potato field there?

You know Robert Moses never learned to drive a car?
Turn Levittown back into a potato field, thats rich Alyssa!!!

[/They beat around the bush and refuse to admit that the world is over populated. Think of the consequences when they admit the problem.
Posted on: Today at 01:32:10 amPosted by: lisagurl 
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Thats a fallacy, a very large one. Then again, "repeat a lie, preferably a big lie often enough. And the people will believe the lie." That quote is from Adolf Hitler, who like the rest of the radical socialists advocated mass extermination of human populations. Current estimates of future populations show that world pop. over time will even out to be roughly some 12-15 billion people. A sustainable number, as will be the current standard of living enjoyed in western nations.

We need not go back to the stone age, or exterminate large groups of humanity.

Finally, Darklady. How about you just publish the entire list. So far I am impressed with neither of the two most liberal cities, as they are what we Americans refer to as sh*th*les.
If your advocating large scale liberal policies than Gary, Indiana and Detriot Michigan are very poor choice. Highest crime rates, highest unemployment, worst health care etc are not what I desire in the name of equality.

[lisagurl]

Current estimates of future populations show that world pop. over time will even out to be roughly some 12-15 billion people. A sustainable number, as will be the current standard of living enjoyed in western nations.

LOL, tell that to the people in Africa, India, China, South America, Indonesia and many other places around the world who are dropping their standard of living. Even in the U.S. the standard of living is not sustainable. There simply are not enough resources. Have you bought gas lately remember supply and demand?

[Michelle.]

How about future research and development. More effeciancy in production. Economics of scale. "Green" energey sources, once there profitable. Clean coal, nuclear. Nanotech, biotech, advances in chemical engineering, food production etc.

This arguement that the world is becoming overpopulated and theres not enough resources is an agruement put forth by progressieves to justify more "stateist" policys, comtrol, and taxes.

What crap, let market forces deceide. In regards to Chinda, India, Africa, etc... as their standard of living rises, their rate of natural increase will decrease. In about 50-100 years time women in these areas will average 2.1- 2.3 children per woman.

[Alyssa M.]

LOL, tell that to the people in Africa, India, China, South America, Indonesia and many other places around the world who are dropping their standard of living. Even in the U.S. the standard of living is not sustainable. There simply are not enough resources. Have you bought gas lately remember supply and demand?

Nah, we ought to be able to reduce energy consumption and switch to enough carbon alternatives that the price of gas at the pump won't be very important. It just requires taxing it like crazy or a (real and enforced) cap and trade system (or we can just do nothing, and wait for the fit to hit the shan, as the saying goes). America is actually losing population, except for immigration (so the population is growing slowly, but if there were no immigration or emigration, it would be shrinking).

However, much of Africa, Latin America, and SE Asia are having problem stabilizing population (i.e. stopping population growth). That's a different problem, and one which also is not lacking for effective solutions, but only will.

I wouldn't classify Lubbock as much higher on my list of wonderful places to live than Gary, but that's not relevant. The point is that the liberal policies of cities (and pretty much every large city is liberal; only podunk towns like Lubbock are conservative) do not cause, but are caused by the conditions of the city. That doesn't mean wealth or poverty or safety or crime -- it means many people trying to live more or less harmoniously while in close and frequent contact. That's why Salt Lake City is nearly as liberal as New York City, even though Utah overall is one of the most conservative states.

[lisagurl]

How about future research and development. More efficiency in production. Economics of scale. "Green" energy sources, once there profitable. Clean coal, nuclear. Nanotech, biotech, advances in chemical engineering, food production etc.

I worked with leading Universities in energy conservation for almost 30 years. The truth is new technology does not save in the big picture. It gives people false value so they spend more and that uses more energy. Every technology has just as many new problems and more that the technology it replaces.  Green is a marketing buss word. It is only green at what you see but look farther and you will see black. Take Ethanol for example. It takes 180 gallons of water to grown and refine a gallon. It takes more diesel fuel to farm and transport, counting the pumps chemicals for growing and the energy they use and pollute you have a environmental disaster. Then there is the dead zone in the gulf from the runoff.