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God doesn't exist, and religion is only used to oppress people.

Started by Brianna, September 17, 2006, 03:18:03 PM

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Tiffany2

  It truly is sad that so many claim to be Christ's and yet do such things.

  Kind of like the pharisees condemning the disciples that plucked the wheat on the sabbath as they went through the field. As the pharisee that said thank God I'm not like that sinner and yet the publican that was just merely said have mercy on me. I wonder if they would be so quick to condemn if they woke up one day and felt like us. I bet they would search the scriptures to find a different answer then. I wonder if their faith would fail?

  I'm sorry Brianna. And disgusted that so many have forgotten they need mercy while they drive off those who they deem unclean. But as they judge they shall be judged.

  But that's just my opinion. Once again; I'm sorry they have judged you and hurt you so.

  Tiffany
Posted on: October 20, 2006, 02:08:35 PM
  Just an afterthought.

  They called Jesus Beelzebub and hated him for eating with the so-called sinners.

  And he was more righteous than all.

  We may not agree on a lot of spiritual things but I admire your outspokenness and straightforward attitude. And it does bother me that Christianity has become a nest of pharisees that judge and condemn others.

  And personally; I cherish the sisters and brothers on this site that go through things most cannot fathom and would lose their faith over. Both those who believe as I and those who don't.

  And; what they did was evil. And a shame.

  But that too is my opinion.

  Tiffany
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Jessica

That's a very cold reaction from your family.

I couldn't help but notice the "diluted" part of the letter.  Diluted?? What exactly are you diluted with??  I think they must have meant to say 'deluded.'

You should have written a very short note to them explaining the fact that they are grammatically inept and you're far better off without them :)

many *hugs* your way sis.

Jessica
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cindianna_jones

Brianna,

This is the letter that I got from my mother:

C. Jones:

I think that you'd better leave the state. I'm sick of you spreading your nasty little accomplishment all over Salt Lake. We have to live here.  AND leave my daughter ALONE.

S.M Steele


Her daughter of course was my sister who was the only member of my family who would talk to me.  We have a lot in common, you and I, Brianna.  ;)

Cindi
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Ricki

Brianna - that's awful and i cannot even pretend to feel good about this and th way your family cast you out!  I have no encouraging words except that your thoughts and actions are your justification and they are not mine to judge i accept whichever way you feel about things fine b me!
FAMILY-gag!  Mines as bad in a skeakier way.... because i have not really transitioned or went that route my family still sees the "guy" mostly, and accepts that;  but as i said in a few posts the mere mention of gender is a tribal no-no.........
So they are essentially my family and there but i have to work around their rules and the hell with some or all of mine????  How nice huh????
I do not know what would be worse having them here as fakes or not having them at all?  A few of my friends parted ways and it was ugglier?  I had a very very good friend from the Army i stayed in touch with after my suicide his wife was just hell bent on wanting an answer when i told her she seemed understanding?  him he got really, REALLY cuaght up on "whether i was gay or not-which had nothing to do with it" and we fell out!  8 years down the tube!!!!!
Now without him knowing anything in combat the fake exterior me he would of taken a line of fire for me everybody in the battallion would have as i would of them... funny how this gender thing just freaks people out?  Frustrating cause i think to a bigger degree society is moving forward a little or lot faster with the GBL mugs! 
anyway this kind of stuff is the stuff that has tragically helped to form me and the beliefs and feelings i do have, I love my family but would not put them ahead of my own agenda not out of hatred athough that's easy to muster up with them, nore so out fo resentment because they could justify me in their own way and write rules for me but i have no say in the matter?  so again would i say oh my I canot leave this world what would my sisiter or brother do???  they're simply not on that emotional agenda, what a seed we sow!

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sky

I am too at fault to be a Christian but it would be nice to be a real one.
The way I believe is really a good way for people but so hard.
It would propagate peace if anyone tried it.
I can try but never succeed. 
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Tiffany2

Sky;
  From what you have written, you probably are more of one than many of us. That was beautiful.
  Tiffany
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Luc

"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

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Hazumu

Brianna;

The note you received and posted is NOT evil.  The person who wrote it was angry, and scared, and in denial, and was bargaining for the return of a posession they lost.

Here's another way to look at this.

Forget 'religion'.  Your family mourns the 'death' of a son/brother/uncle/MALE member of the family.  But they mourn the loss of something THEY posessed.  Their religion -- 'christianity', in this case -- even though it teaches many forms of compassion, could not help them overcome the irrational anger/resentment they felt that you had stolen 'you' away from them.

How would they react if a neighbor shot and killed a member of your family?  Would they call for bloody retribution, or even take some sort of action, in order to even the score?  Would 'turning the other cheek' be even a distant option?

So the male you is 'killed' by a close family member, you.  How do you get even for something done to a family member by the same family member?  Especially when what that family member does sets off homophobia or transphobia?  You can't kill the perpetrator without killing the 'victim'.  And they have hope that some day 'he' will come to 'his' senses and they will get their son/brother/uncle/MALE member of the family back.

So they punish you by hating you for what you have 'chosen' to become (you can't punish someone who has no choice in the matter) and sending you away.  You are not to be mollycoddled, because then you'd NEVER develop the discipline necessary to succeed in life and resist these impulses, etc.

The male you will die in their minds and be mourned.  Or, rather, they will SELFishly mourn the son/brother/uncle/MALE member of the family that THEY lost. 

For how long?  The grieving process takes at least a year and a half -- IF the person wishes to get through/over it.  But some people wallow in one of the steps for YEARS -- they lovingly nurture their anger/denial/bargaining/whatever, and it becomes something that defines them.

Brianna, I say that there is still hope -- don't YOU ever lose hope.  They may yet be able to see you as a long-lost daughter/sister/aunt/female family member, and may someday NEWLY welcome you into the family.

But you have to find some way to maintain contact.  You should stay up on what happens, somehow.  Send birthday cards to family members.  Send other cards or letters for appropriate or significant events.  And know that what you send may be burnt/trashed/ripped up in effigy of the girl who 'murdered' their son/brother/uncle/etc.  Send that stuff anyway.  Send postcards from far-away places you visit.  Send change-of-address/phone-number notification.  To those who WILL still communicate with you, ask them to give message of love and acceptance to those who stubbornly, selfishly won't.

Be the one who teaches them what REAL compassion is all about.

But you, too, have to get through your grieving process.  We are here.  And many of us have 'been there.'  Sadly, going through a grieving process is part of transition for many.  Just like hormones, mannerisms, beauty tips, et cetera are now part of your transition, you will need to make time for your grieving the loss of your family.  Start here for some more information.  Seek out people you can be close to -- especialy during significant dates such as holidays.  I'll make the offer here -- PM me if you want my contact information for your rolodex, PM me 'cause you just want to talk to me because you need SOMEBODY to talk to, not type your bile out to a soulless computer.  And I'm sure there are others here that will extend the same offer.

Religion is not the demon.  Your family USED their religion to 'justify' their act.  You tried to use their religion to prevent them from doing so.  What kind of religion is it where god is reduced to a waiter or bellhop of a rather dull and stupid sort?

Karen
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RebeccaFog

Brianna,

   Karen said what I was thinking, but didn't know how to say. I don't have a PM thing, but I wish I did now just for the good reason of helping you if possible.

   When I read your posting of the letter, I wanted to hug you really bad. I believe, as Karen said, there will be a coming around of most of your family members. When it happens I'm sure you will be getting hugs from them. If this break can bring about such intense pain, then that means you have something worth salvaging no matter how long it takes.


Sent with love and well meaning,

Rebecca Fog
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Fer

I personally do not believe in God, or in Heaven or Hell, but I am always curious as to why people do. I\'d rather that people didn\'t quote the bible to me, as it\'s not something that I feel is true. What I am interested in finding out is what it is that makes you believe in your heart.
I personally find organised religion (of any persuasion) slightly distasteful. I can\'t really see that it\'s done anything for the world other than cause wars and subjugate women and indigenous peoples. Every extremist group seems to find justification for their actions in the Bible/Koran/Torah (I\'m thinking of the KKK, Al\'Quida etc) but I am also aware that the Bible/Koran/Torah has a lot to say that is worth paying attention to, whether or not you believe in God; why is it that the good in the book is so often ignored in favour of parts that incite violence and intolerance?

The laws of God, the laws of man, He may keep that will and can; Not I. Let God and man decree Laws for themselves and not for me; And if my ways are not as theirs Let them mind their own affairs. - A. E. Housman
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Attis

"Do you believe in God, Andrei? No. Neither do I. But that's a favorite question of mine. An upside-down question, you know. What do you mean? Well, if I asked people whether they believed in life, they'd never understand what I meant. It's a bad question. It can mean so much that it really means nothing. So I ask them if they believe in God. And if they say they do -- then, I know they don't believe in life. Why? Because, you see, God -- whatever anyone chooses to call God -- is one's highest conception of the highest possible. And whoever places his highest conception above his own possibility thinks very little of himself and his life. It's a rare gift, you know, to feel reverence for your own life and to want the best, the greatest, the highest possible, here, now, for your very own." We, The Living by Ayn Rand. :)

-- Bridget
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RebeccaFog

Hi,

    There are those of us who believe that God is integrated with human psychology. In this case, God is not separate from us, or tempting us to believe that we are any higher than the ground we walk upon. Where we go, God goes, where God goes, we go. To us, life is God.
    In the case of truly terrible people, they are not in touch with their god.  On the other hand, some really nice people are in touch with God, but have no need to consciously acknowledge it.

    Speaking of life. I don't think of life as bodied animals, insects, and plants, and insects, and bacteria, and etcetera. To me, there is life in the starlight that bounds around the universe. There is life in the dust and the refuse that sits mostly idle on the moon. There is life in the rocks we walk upon or step around. And, there is life in imagination, romance, good and bad timing, coincidences, skateboards, and every single item which inhabits this universe/reality.
    I guess God is within all of it, but there is no way humanly possible to describe the connection between God and our own human psyches. We can't even explain our own conciousness to ourselves.

   Not everyone knows God. Not everyone has to. My disagreement with the statement; there is no God doesn't even exist beyond my own consciousness. I disagree with the statement, but those who make the statement are stating an arguement which does not really exist. Or, maybe the statement just shouldn't exist because, like our own dreams, we can  not prove it to anyone other than ourselves.


God (minus Christ), I hope this made sense.

First to Fear, Last to Love,

The Rebecca
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tinkerbell

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Attis

When God invites me to T42, then I'll consider its possibility as an existing entity. Until then, I'm an evil atheist. :3

-- Bridget
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littlegreenfly

Dear Miss Bri-la la,

I wish you were my daughter... (heavy sigh).  I just want to gather you up, hug you, and tell you that you are loved.

LGF
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