Reinstitution of military draft likely in the near future in the USA

[DarkLady]

Amendment 1528 by senator Lieberman to National Defense Authoritation Act for Fiscal Year 2010 provides authority to increase active duty military personel in years 2010, 2011 and 2012. This amendment has hiden meaning of possible activation of Selective Service System in the near future. Only senator Feingold D-WI voted against this amendment. Voters should held pressure for Democratic party and the President when it is early enough. In case many democratic reps. would be against it the plan would hurt The GOP and is unlikely to succeed. 

[tekla]

Well two things.  One I've said before.  We invented the military-industrial complex and pretty much since WWII the military gets what it wants, and it does not want this.  They may have some mass conscription in Finland, but as you know, it requires that the military take people like you Dark Lady, and I assure you that the U.S. military does not want people like you in it.  It wants highly motivated gung-ho types, not a couple million people who would rather be anywhere else.

Two.  Joe Lieberman is a joke.  The Republicans don't trust him (because he can't be trusted) and the Democrats think he is a turncoat (which he is), and he is only barely in office as it is.  So his sponsorship is not a positive deal.  And, at any rate, providing for an increase is not a mandate to increase.

It would open up so many problems and debates - serious social issues, like do women go?  Are gays exempt? -  that I don't think any sane person (and there are a few left in D.C.) would go there.

[Mister]

The chances of this passing are laughable.  As Tekla already said, Lieberman isn't exactly the politician on capitol hill with the most influence.  At this point, he ought to be drafting anything he presents to the legislature in crayon.  If the draft were to have ever been reinstated in current times, it would've been at the hands of Bush back when enlistment was very low and his 'war on terror' was in full swing.

Secondly, this is, again, a United States issue.  I don't give a damn what happens in Finland- why do you care what happens here? 

[tekla]

At this point, he ought to be drafting anything he presents to the legislature in crayon.

I think even that might even be too sharp a tool to give to old Joementum.

The social issues are just too much.  After the last disaster draft during the Vietnam war just the issue of social class almost tore the country up. So any real draft can't have the exemptions that the last one did, which means Percy, Throckmorton and Winfred are going to have the same chance of going as Buck, Ed and BillyBob - and that ain't gonna fly at all.  Second, are girls going to be drafted in a 1:1 ratio with guys?  If not, be prepared to kiss all the advancements in woman's rights away overnight.  And I'm sure that many of the women in power would argue for a female draft for exactly that reason.  Third, is DADT still in force?  So all I have to do to get out of this, and go back to college is show up in a dress?  My god, you'd have a run on dresses at Macy's.  Dad's all over the country would be out buying junior his first skirt.

[Mister]

Selective service requires only men to register.  I'm assuming the only reason this hasn't been done away with is because who in their right mind would say, 'This is unfair.  I have the right to be forced to go to war against my personal beliefs just like those guys do!'? 

and yes, DADT is still in force.  so much for the draft here in SF.

But, y'know, whatever.  I'm a disabled transsexual.  They'd have to be pretty desperate to come looking for me.

[lisagurl]

Another point is that there are 300 million people in the U.S. with plenty of unemployment. If they wanted to fund 20,000 more military they would have no trouble finding volunteers.

[DarkLady]

Answers for Tekla's questions:
Only men would be drafted because Selective Servise System requires only males to register. DADT would probably mean that drafted gays do not get any benefits from their service but are sent to Afganistan or Iraq or etc.
To protect women's equality in other areas of life ERA would be introduced and would have a chanche to passing with goverment's support.

And Lieberman Amendment has yet been accepped in roll call vote.

[NicholeW.]

DL, your understanding of politics and the workings of the legislative branch in the USA are extremely lacking.

Your imagination, however, is not.

[Mister]

DADT would probably mean that drafted gays do not get any benefits from their service but are sent to Afganistan or Iraq or etc.

lol, what? 

[DarkLady]

Do not worry Mister. According to SSS ''the birth sex'' determines who could be drafted so you are safe.

[tekla]

Honey, if they called up a draft and only men went, you'd get riots.  Massive resistance, and not only from the guys, but also from a lot of women who would quickly understand that it would be a huge setback and quickly make them second-class citizens again.  People on both sides would strongly object (and when American's actually get around to objecting to stuff, things burn) to Bob and Bill having to go in, while Suzie and Muffy get to get a head start on their education and career path.  Ain't happening.

[DarkLady]

ERA would be tried to pass in congress to ensure that women's position does not go to worse. And here the Constitution guarentees equal rights and only males are drafted to serve because ''Russia may attack''. Women get 1-2 year start for their studies and all people saying that is unfair are silenced by ''general attitude''.

[Mister]

Do not worry Mister. According to SSS ''the birth sex'' determines who could be drafted so you are safe.

No kidding.  I am aware of and generally abide by the laws of my country.

[DarkLady]

I can just imagine what atrocities military there would do to MTF. They would probably be accepped to service and then sent to military prisons or to military psychiatric institutions.

[Mister]

I can just imagine what atrocities military there would do to MTF. They would probably be accepped to service and then sent to military prisons or to military psychiatric institutions.

actually, post-op MTFs can serve.

here ya go with military prisons again...   

[tekla]

They would probably be accepped to service and then sent to military prisons or to military psychiatric institutions.

Which, by the way, is exactly why the military does not want this.  They are not in the prison biz, or in the psychiatric industry either.  Every penny spend on such things is one less penny they get to spend on weapons systems. And they would not be accepted in the first place.  They get kicked out now as it is.

I'm telling you that our military does not want it, and what our military does not want, it tends not to get (weapons systems built in powerful Congressional districts aside - which they just take and mothball anyway).

[DarkLady]

actually, post-op MTFs can serve.
here ya go with military prisons again...

Other men would make their service untolerable. ''Vaginaed men with breasts.''
They would be raped rather sooner than later.

[Mister]

Other men would make their service untolerable. ''Vaginaed men with breasts.''
They would be raped rather sooner than later.

uh..  that's why you don't say anything and just live your life.  if you want to be the poster child for transsexuals around the world, stay out of the military.

[DarkLady]

In case post-ops must serve so must pre-ops then. Their anatomy is still ''generally consider as male in the USA''.

[tekla]

Which in our own special American wisdom is exactly why they are excluded from service now.