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Any transguys not planning on doing T?

Started by Cristoph, July 29, 2009, 10:45:08 PM

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Walter

Quote from: Adrian on August 05, 2009, 04:41:21 PM
That must be a difficult conflict for you.  I personally can't understand it, but hopefully you will come to some conclusion that allows you to be at peace.

Yeah hopefully
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Jamie-o

Quote from: minniemouse on August 05, 2009, 07:38:19 AM
I've been interested to read in this thread about the mental effects of T. I read a while back that giving transpeople the right hormones has a calming effect - it feels right. So, a theoretical question: if T didn't produce physical changes, would it still be worth it just for the mental effects?  Is there actually a mental effect which can be separated out from the feelings associated with potential physical changes? I think a couple of you are saying there is.

Oh I definitely think that the hormones themselves contribute to the calming effect.  And yes, if there were no other effects, I would still take T because of it.  I've not been on it long enough to get very many changes, (mostly just a lot of body hair, which I was never too keen on getting  :-\ ).  But even at this stage there are 3 things that make the T so worthwhile, even if nothing more ever happened: 1) No more monthly torture! 2) No more hormonal roller coaster and 3) No more choking up and crying when I get angry.
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Vancha

Quote from: Jamie-o on August 05, 2009, 05:14:26 PM
Oh I definitely think that the hormones themselves contribute to the calming effect.  And yes, if there were no other effects, I would still take T because of it.  I've not been on it long enough to get very many changes, (mostly just a lot of body hair, which I was never too keen on getting  :-\ ).  But even at this stage there are 3 things that make the T so worthwhile, even if nothing more ever happened: 1) No more monthly torture! 2) No more hormonal roller coaster and 3) No more choking up and crying when I get angry.

Definitely sounds worthwhile to me.  Even though I generally express anger with some level of violence or screaming, I do know how easily tears come with estrogen.  I have heard that many people feel that tension has been released, as well.  I am always tense for reasons unknown to me, so we will see...

The no monthly torture is a huge plus I look forward to.  :laugh:
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Arch

Quote from: minniemouse on August 05, 2009, 07:38:19 AM
I've been interested to read in this thread about the mental effects of T. I read a while back that giving transpeople the right hormones has a calming effect - it feels right. So, a theoretical question: if T didn't produce physical changes, would it still be worth it just for the mental effects?  Is there actually a mental effect which can be separated out from the feelings associated with potential physical changes? I think a couple of you are saying there is.

I would be disappointed if I ONLY got mental effects, but, yes, it would be worth it. I probably wouldn't be on such a high dose, though. Of course, when I got my pre-HRT blood work, it turned out that I had abnormally low T levels even for a female-bodied person. I clearly needed SOMEthing.

With that said, a lot of my newfound inner calm has certainly come from the physical changes I've experienced, from both T and the surgery.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

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myles

I am happy with the choice I made to go on T. It has definitely made me feel more calm, relaxed and just more comfortable in my body. (with myself I guess would be better). The thing that scares me about the natural transition is it is not regulated, you take up to 13 (or more) supplements which no one knows the affects on mixing them in your system, long term or short term. I have not seen anyone who looks like they would after about 4 months on T. You simply do not get the same changes and it is really expensive. So lets see expensive, unregulated, slower changes, not sure why you would do this over T.  I am also unsure why this is called natural, there is nothing natural about taking 13 supplements a day. That is the good thing about life though we each get to make our own decisions.
Cheers,
Myles
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
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Quicksand

I was wondering, which of the mental effects would you guys say were more psychological rather than physiological?  Like, is there a direct connection between the calm and reduced anxiety some of you have reported, and testosterone's effect on the body/mind, or does it solely have to do with the psychological benefits of aligning one's body and gender identity?  Just curious!
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Arch

Quote from: Quicksand on August 06, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
I was wondering, which of the mental effects would you guys say were more psychological rather than physiological?  Like, is there a direct connection between the calm and reduced anxiety some of you have reported, and testosterone's effect on the body/mind, or does it solely have to do with the psychological benefits of aligning one's body and gender identity?  Just curious!

I don't know that there's any reliable way for me to tease out the effects and be sure what caused what. However, I am reasonably sure that a significant degree of calmness came directly from the chemical effects of T on my brain.

Soon after I first started T, I went through a phase of aggression that was pretty tough for me to handle effectively. After a couple of months, I felt that I had good control over myself; I calmed down and started feeling more centered than I have ever felt in adult life. I'm in that place now, and I'm loving it. I feel much more confident, assertive, optimistic, and balanced.

Yes, some of these positive effects came from morphological/physical changes, but some of it was undoubtedly chemical. I like to think of those months of aggression as an acclimation period during which my brain chemistry was so significantly altered that I had to learn to get used to it.

T might be something like the only antidepressant that ever worked for me--Wellbutrin. When I tapered onto that med, I felt as if I had been sped up. It was eerie. For weeks, my whole body vibrated so that if you put your hand lightly on my arm, you could feel a faint buzz. The world slowed down; my visual field was disrupted as if I were seeing the world through a sort of time-lapse photography. So when I turned my head to the side, I would get sort of streaky trails at the corners of my vision while the world "caught up" to where my eyes were.

After a couple of weeks, my body began to adjust to the meds, and I felt as if the world and I were operating at the same speed.

When I finally tapered off the Wellbutrin, the world sped up and I slowed down. It was kind of horrible. I couldn't negotiate anything fast--couldn't really track it visually. So for months I could drive my car in the city but not on the freeway because other cars, traveling at freeway speeds, moved too fast for me to negotiate. In due course, I readjusted and felt, once again, that the world and I were in synch.

I think that something similar happened when I went on testosterone. At first, I became more aggressive and cranky and even belligerent at times. I consciously struggled to control my aggression, at first with little success. In due course, the aggression waned considerably and was replaced with a sense of rightness, centeredness, and increased optimism. Now I'm feeling better than ever.

Did my voice change help? Undoubtedly. Did top surgery increase my happiness? No question. But I think that the chemical effects are indisputable. I have noticed that at the end of a shot cycle (a few hours to a couple of days before my shot), I have more trouble focusing and I feel somewhat more depressed than when I'm in the middle of a cycle. I start to feel "off." The longer I've been feeling off, the longer it takes for me to start feeling normal again. There is undoubtedly a psychosomatic element to these effects, but I don't think that's the whole story.

I love T. It makes me feel normal. Me, normal. Wow!

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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miniangel

Thanks, Arch (and everyone else). That pretty much answers my question.  :)
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