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Deanna_Renee

You have no idea how elated I am to have, finally, found y'all!

Let me just say, that I can't believe I am actually going to write this (fear, trepidation, relief, excitement).

I have been sitting here reading through most of the posts on this site since finding it a few days ago. I have read so many stories from so many of you that resonate so strongly with my experiences, my situation, my predicament. Thank you for showing me that I'm not, quite, as big a freak as I had so long feared.

I am a 47 year old GM who has, like so many, felt a bit wrong in my body, but never really knew or understood why... until now. I had grown up in Massachusetts, in one of the most liberal and open minded cities in the US, but my family was rather strict and closed minded. As a boy I had few friends, a couple of very close male friends and several girl friends. The neighborhood I grew up in was mostly professional singles, students, professors, etc and few kids. I was never interested, or proficient, in sports. I was more interested in artistic, mental/intellectual activities and riding my bike. I have always been very introverted, never really felt understood, a little more than odd. I still am and have almost always been a loner. Basically, my childhood was largely unmemorable.

The first time I remember being drawn to women's clothing, I was maybe twelve, I had seen some of my mother's panties in the laundry and picked them up. I remember thinking that they were so much softer and nicer than any of my underpants. I started paying more attention to the laundry basket after that. Finally one day my mother was out of the apartment and I decided (felt compelled) to try on her panties (I was about the same size) - I was hooked! I was caught! My mother had come home, with my brother, and saw me wearing these women's panties (and nothing else). Needless to say, she was upset. She had questioned me as to why I was wearing them. I didn't know. She asked how often I had worn them. First time. She asked if I was gay. I really didn't understand the concept. At that time of my life I had never known anyone who was gay. I only knew that it meant two men having sex. I knew that wasn't me. I was twelve and wasn't sexually interested in anyone. I was just compelled to wear womens' clothes. She told me to never do it again and threatened to send me away if I did.

I am embarrassed to admit, but I still live with my mother - or rather she lives with me. I'm single, always have been. More on that coming up. (Sorry to drone on so long, but I have a lot to get off my chest.

I have tried ever since to get those thoughts out of my head, I knew it was 'wrong', but I really, really wanted to dress like a girl, I really, really wanted to BE a girl. I have always felt more at home in girls clothes, I felt more... I wasn't sure why, but try as I might, I couldn't shake the need. For years I would sneek her clothes and wear them around the house, wear them to bed - I never wore them outside (except the occasional panties, pantyhose, bra - well hidden under layers of winter clothes).

As I got older the urges never waned, they actually strengthened. I got a P.O. Box and would order my own clothes and have them shipped there. Through the years I had seen the occasional cross-dresser, met a fair number of gays and lesbians and like so many people, out of ignorance, I believed that being a CD was the same thing as being gay and I KNEW that I was not gay. I didn't like men, I never felt comfortable around men, I was never attracted to any aspect of men, there was no way I could be gay. So there had to be a different reason for me to want to dress like a woman, for me to want to be a woman. On several occasions I had gotten so distraught over these conflicting feelings that I would throw everything away and swear that I would never dress up again, I would be 'normal'. I'm sure many of you know how that ended.

I have lived - externally - as a regular, apparently well adjusted man all these years - never letting anyone on to the struggle in my head, in my body. It is like having two versions of myself living in this mold. There is the dominant male that rules the roost in public, striving to be, or at least appear, a normal hetero man. Then there is the, sometimes, sub-dominant (I can't refer to her as submissive) female side that yearns for her turn to run the show. I'm only just coming to terms with this now. Now that I understand things better, now that I know that I'm not this way because I'm gay (okay maybe I'm lesbian, I don't know). I now know that there are many more layers to sexuality. I'm not yet happy, but at least I am a bit more hopeful that there may be a chance to let her take over for the second half.

I think as a result of my uncertainty and my confusion, because he and she are close in strength and drag me in different directions, has worked hard at keeping me from having relationships. I can very easily make friends with women, they love me, feel very comfortable with me, etc. But when it comes to asking them out, they get kind of wierded out and want nothing to do with me any longer. I have had more than a few, okay more than a half dozen, women friends that I have been deeply infatuated with and have asked them out, they have told me they just want to be friends, nothing more and then within a week they have packed their bags and belongings and, without notifying any of our mutual friends, have moved away with no forwarding addresses. I think the furthest any (that I had heard of) of them had moved was to the opposite corner of the US (2500 miles away). I have no idea why, maybe they knew something about me that I didn't and never told me. To date, my scorecard, if I had one, for the number of women/girls that I have asked out who have said yes is ZERO (0). I did, however date one girl - she asked me out. We were together for about 3 weeks, everything was great! I was happier than I had ever been. I had just turned 40 and she was 18, she wasn't bothered by the age difference and I really wasn't either. Then all of a sudden one morning when we were laying in bed, she asked me if I was gay. I said no. She asked to think about it, I did for a few seconds. The conclusion was still no, I loved her, I loved being with her, I loved that she was a woman and not a man. That wasn't good enough for her, she broke it off and never spoke to me again.

I have gotten to the point where I look at a beautiful woman and 'he' says hmmm, I'd like to –––– her, then 'she' chimes in and replies, nice boobs, beautiful hair, great ––––––– I wish I could look like that, I wish I could BE her, I love the outfit/shoes/top/accessories/etc. 'She' wins out in those situations. There is no way 'he' can compete, at this pace I will never have a relationship. More and more every day, I want to be a woman. I hate the way I look, the way I feel. I want to start off with herbals to get things rolling and I ultimately want (today, damn it) to transition fully. From some of the pics I have seen of the beautiful women on here, I have a new hope that 'she' has a chance of taking the lead.

Boy, have I rambled or what? Anyone still awake?

The one thing that scares the begeezes out of me at this point is the thought of coming out to my mother. It would devastate her. I don't think friends will freak out (most anyway). As a graphic designer I have a lot of creative/artistic friends who are GLB straight or just open minded. I don't know anyone, never have, who is TG MtF or FtM. I would greatly welcome any advice, support, encouragement, telling me to shut up and stop typing  :o

Looking forward to some new, great, friends. (and sorry again for talking too much)
D

(I'll shut up now)
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finewine

Welcome!  Thank you for the great introduction too!  You're among friends.
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LordKAT

welcome to the berry patch. (better known as susan's)
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K8

Quote from: StuckInHere on July 28, 2009, 12:58:16 AM
She asked if I was gay. I really didn't understand the concept. At that time of my life I had never known anyone who was gay. I only knew that it meant two men having sex. I knew that wasn't me. I was twelve and wasn't sexually interested in anyone.
;D

Welcome to Susan's.  Thanks for the long introduction.  It sounds like you've looked around enough to realize your story - while your own - is not that different from many of us here.

I know (I know) you want to do everything at once now that you've an idea of what you really want, but I think the first step is to find a therapist to help you sort out where you are now, what you really need, where you want to go, and how to get there.  You don't need to purge your closet, but it would be good to have someone help you sort through the mess that is there and make some sense of it all.

Good luck on your journey.

*hugs*
Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Deanna_Renee

Thank you so much for the welcome.

Finewine: I love your avatar! That little elephant is so cute, puts a smile on my face (not an easy task).

LordKat: Or is it Spock? Live long and prosper. What kind of berries do y'all have here? Anyone for pie?

Kate: Thanks so much. About the only reason I wrote such a long winded, let-it-all-out-in-the-open introduction was because I found, over the past few days, that my story has a lot of parallels with many others here. I knew many would be able to say, 'yeah that was me too'.

While I am, right now, wishing for the Genie to come out of the elusive lamp and grant me the wish that I long for (change me into a young, beautiful, healthy, intelligent girl - complete with my full memories and accumulated knowledge), I know in reality it can't/won't happen instantaneously or easily or painlessly. I do want and know I should move ahead slowly and carefully. But I will still keep looking for that Genie. As far as a therapist, I know that I should talk to one to sort out the closet and would have to be diagnosed to (legally) go about transition. The problem being, I'm broke, unemployed, no money and no insurance (not even sure insurance would cover any part of any of this) and couldn't even hope to be able to afford a therapist or doctor of any kind for quite a predictable time. BTW - how much would it realistically cost for therapy? How many years would I need to go to be able to move forward? If/when I decide, and get authorization from therapist, to transition how much can I expect it to cost? HRT? SRS? FFS?

Oh so many questions. Oh so long responses. (crowd shouts in unison - "SHUT UP ALREADY!!" :embarrassed:) Well thank you again and I'm sure you'll be hearing a lot more from me (lots of moans) and I look forward to getting to know y'all better.

Hugs,
D
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PinkSunshine

Hey girl!  :D Wow, that is a long post, you had me fooled with the Introductions forum!  :P It's ok, though, I have had similar experiences even though I am still so young (I ain't telling  ::)). The funny thing is, I would always look at girls outfits (in school) and started thinking "that top would go great with ...." and "that bracelet is really nice" way before I even knew what I was (was in denial for most my life) so I totally know where you're coming from! No worries hun, you found a real nice family here to help you out.  :)

P.S. You still living in Mass? I live across the border in the good ol' granite state!  :icon_mrhappy:
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Deanna_Renee

Quote from: VanessaPink on July 28, 2009, 06:45:55 PM

P.S. You still living in Mass? I live across the border in the good ol' granite state!  :icon_mrhappy:

No, Vanessa, I have become a rebel (I guess in more than one way now  ;) ) and now live in Hotlanta, since 2000.

I think (too long ago to really remember) I also checked out the girls clothes as much as I was checking them out. Thank god fashion designers have matured and learned a bit about fashion design. There were some horrific fashions - both male and female - in the 70's. (cringing at the thought)
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K8

I think we all hope for the genie.  As a child I would pray that when I woke up the next morning that extra stuff between my legs would have fallen off, like how a scab falls off once the skin beneath it heals.  It didn't work, though. :(  Now, even if you find a genie, you can keep him.  I think we have to get stronger as we go along so that we can make each following step.  It's a lot slower, but we are more likely to be able to live with the results.

Quote from: StuckInHere on July 28, 2009, 09:06:00 AM
The problem being, I'm broke, unemployed, no money and no insurance (not even sure insurance would cover any part of any of this) and couldn't even hope to be able to afford a therapist or doctor of any kind for quite a predictable time. BTW - how much would it realistically cost for therapy? How many years would I need to go to be able to move forward? If/when I decide, and get authorization from therapist, to transition how much can I expect it to cost? HRT? SRS? FFS?
Whoa. :eusa_hand:  Slow down.

Sorry, but I think that if you're "broke, unemployed, no money, and no insurance," you have problems that need to be addressed before you can hope to begin to transition.  Yes, you will be able to transition, but first things first.

Being in Hotlanta, there should be support groups available to you.  And you probably can find therapy on an ability-to-pay basis.  Don't wait for the genie to appear – go out and find these things.

Good luck to you.  I remember how hard it was to start.  (It wasn't that long ago for me. ::))  But you've made a good first step in coming here.  Now take control of your life and start doing the hard work to become who you really want to be.

*hugs*
Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Deanna_Renee

Kate, I hear your warnings and understand. I know that getting other things squared away first is top priority, but being somewhat of an obsessive personality, whenever I come across something that strikes a cord with me, I need to get as much information as I can as fast as I can get it. It is only then I can slow down and absorb, analyze, and process that information and build a plan of attack.

I have found a therapist, close to me, who looks to fit the bill. He is a transman with 25 years experience and willing to work with me financial wise. I will be meeting with him for the first time in just over 14 hours. I'm scared sh*%less, nervous, and excited all at once. There is so much I need to know, so much to learn, so much to process. And yes, I do plan to take it at a reasonable pace. Even though I really, really want it to be instantaneous (right now), I know that it is something that I will need to work on a lot of issues and self exploration and education before I can even decide to go into transition. I understand that it is a HUGE, massive, enormous, invasive, emotional, tumultuous undertaking to take everything I have known about myself and what everyone else knows about me and completely turn it all inside out and swirl it around and reshape it into something better. I'm starting to understand all of the risks, challenges and dangers that I could be facing by just coming out. Like the tortoise said; "Slow and steady wins the race".

I am sure I can count on your support along with (as Janet Lynn keeps posting) the other 2900 plus members here in this community. I'm so happy to be counted as one of them. I can honestly say that I am actually happy. It has been a very long time since I have said that and meant it.

BTW- I have decided to try on Deanna Renee as my new name seeing how it feels.

:icon_hug:  Deanna
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K8

Welcome, Deanna.  I'm really glad for you that you found a therapist so quickly.  I hope your meeting goes well.  Just be honest with him.

This is an exciting time for you, finding Susan's and starting to find yourself.  I was already in therapy for non-gender things when I started.  (I've been dealing with GID all my life, but I only really started not long ago.)  For me the first step was to finally, truly accept myself.

The next step was to fully accept the possibility of loss of friends and family and the very real possiblity of violence. 

Once I accepted all of that, I began coming out to my friends.  It's a long process, with a many stumbling blocks along the way.  But many of us have done it or are doing it.  You can too.

The tortoise wins the race. ;)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Deanna_Renee

WOW! That went great! First session, first chat, with therapist. Got a lot out in the open, talked about a lot of things, he is very understanding (transman) and compassionate and warm. Next step, he challenged me (gave me homework  :D) to find a couple of close friends I can trust and come out to them and ask for their support to help me go out "en femme" as Deanna to a GBLT club and have fun.

We'll have to see how that plays out. Scary, scary thought. I've never been out in public dressed as a woman. What was it like your first time? Where did you go? How did you dress?

I am still trying to get a picture of myself that doesn't look completely hideous. Hair, makeup, nails, accessories, shoes, venue appropriate outfit AYE AYE AYE. I think I would be more comfortable at first presenting as more androgynous. Thoughts?

Try to have a pic tonight.

Deanna
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K8

Congratulations on your first therapy session, Deanna.  I'm really glad for you that it went so well. :D

My first time out en femme (as they say) was to a LGBT event in a neighboring town.  I emailed ahead to make sure I would be welcome as a male presenting female.  I stayed overnight in the town because I figured I'd have a few drinks at the event and didn't want to crash on the way home.

I went alone.  I dressed in my motel room and drove to the function.  I was nervous but not a wreck.  I wore a straight skirt, turtleneck, light jacket, heels, stockings, makeup.  I think I looked pretty well put-together - nothing outlandish.  Unfortunately I had to walk through a very public space to get to the room but figured what-the-h***.  (Anyway, it's hard to sneak across a terrazzo floor in heels.)  When asked my name to register, I couldn't figure out whether to say my male name or female name.  (I can be pretty stupid. :P)

It all went wonderfully and was a wonderful experience.  The next morning in the motel I was very reluctant to dress in male clothes for breakfast and the ride home.  I knew then that I had to press on and try to become Katherine all the time.

Good luck, Deanna.  Be careful.  Sometimes when you open doors it is hard to get them shut again.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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PinkSunshine

Hi Deanna!  :icon_wave: Great to hear your first session went well. Ok, so the first time I went out, I knew I was going to get a few stares so I figured simple was better. I put on a knee length flowy skirt, a comfy pair of wedge slides, and a modern fit tee. I didn't bother with makeup or jewelry. I was pretty nervous the whole time, but it changed my life  :icon_yes:. I was just sitting at home, after walking around walmart for 40 minutes, thinking to myself, "I have never felt more comfortable in any other clothes in my life, physically and mentally!" That was the day I came out of denial  :D. Of course, I lost count of how many clothes (and jewelry, and makeup, and purses!) I've bought since then  ::).

Oh, and you don't look hideous hun, just remember we always look worse to ourselves  ;).
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paulault55

Welcome Deanna to Susan's, Your story is much like mine and many others, I'm older than you and started transition last year at the age of 56.

Congrats on finding a therapist, a transman at that, that's willing to work with you on a sliding scale. Sounds like you made some progress already, what i do in between sessions is write things i did or questions i have on a pad so i don't forget anything when i go to my next session. I actually try to push myself past what my therapist expects, i started going dressed to appointments before he asked me. If your therapist follows the Standards of Care (SOC) expect at least 3 months therapy before getting the letter for hormones.

By the end of the month i will be out to all but my company and co-workers. It's pretty scarry telling that 1st person, but each time it gets easier. At some point you will have to tell your mother, will it devastate her, that's hard to tell, i find people that are open to new ideas and things tend to understand and accept better, so i would not automatically assume that it would. I was really scared to tell my 89 year old very religous stepfather and i agonized months over telling him, but he suprised me buy saying life is to short to not be happy, he is my biggest support,  many that i have told have said the same thing, and also are accepting.

Like you i never went out dressed, my first outing was to a local support group meeting, i was scared sh..less driving there thinking everyone was staring at me but guess what they were not. Don't judge the group or people that go there on your first visit, i knew nobody there but several came up and talked to me, there were some, mainly the ones farther along in transition that were cold acting but i kept going back and we all have become pretty good friends. If your group meeting is anything like mine you will find out almost 50% are transmen, that was a shocker for me, when you think of transsexuals you think of MtF not FtM.

Paula





I am a Mcginn Girl May 9 2011
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Deanna_Renee

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WOW Paula, thanks for sharing.  I love the idea of keeping notes - I don't remember half the things I want as well as I used to and I'm notoriously bad at keeping notes - probably because I used to have steel vault of a memory and never needed prompting. I'll have to give it a shot. I don't have any doubts about getting the letter, possibly even sooner than the 3 months (not certain), but I'm sure it will be more than 3 months before I will be able to start HRT due to being out of work, out of money, and no insurance. Well, unless I hit the lottery, then it's "put me on the list baby!!"  ;D

I would think coming out at work could be challenging - knowing full well how the rumor mill goes. You tell one person in confidence and then miraculously the next day the whole company knows you were abducted by aliens who took you away and did some highly invasive surgery on you, turning you into a woman.  8) Okay that might be tiny stretch of reality, but only a tiny one.

Vannessa, thanks for your story. Yes, I have always been my very worst critic - not just about my looks, but every minute facet of my life. I seem to be a lot happier with myself now than I have ever been before.

Kate, what more can I say, you have been wonderful so far. I love your advice and what I'm sure will be similar stories (once I experience them).

Thank you all so very much for your love, caring and support - you're all awesome.  :icon_bunch:

Deanna

Post Merge: August 05, 2009, 02:13:41 AM

Had kind of a distressing evening. Nearly came out to my mom due to a conversation we had gotten into while taking our evening walk. Now I'm even more scared at the prospect of opening up to her.

While we were walking we past a group of 3 young adults - a girl and two guys. I had recognized one of the guys (very andro) as someone I went to college with a few years ago, but he didn't notice/recognize me (actually never looked in my direction). I couldn't remember his name to call out (we were in one, maybe two, classes together several years ago and I suck at names), so didn't get his attention. Anyway, the trio were very animated, very playful, jumping around and such. Now this former classmate (I will refer to him as R - for absolutely no reason, okay maybe I just like Rs) R is very slim, longish hair, fair skin, and very androgynous, in addition to the aforementioned bouncy qualities. To many people he would come off as quite young/teenager, and likely gay. I'm not sure if he is or if he's trans, andro, straight and skinny or what - I never judged him and seem to remember there being something interesting about him as a person, I also remember him being quite bright.

So, what does this have to do with anything?

Sorry, I tend to drag things out a bit. Well, after the trio passed by, my mom made some comment about not being sure what... whatever that was' problem is. I said 'he'. And she asked if I was sure 'that' was a he and I said that I went to school with him and he was a good kid (okay he's probably in his early to mid 20's now and compared to a 47 year old, he is a kid). She then changed whatever the previous topic of conversation to something she heard about a mayor of some city somewhere who showed up at some public event in women's clothes. She commented that they (media I'm guessing) said that he was a trans whatever they call them. I said 'transsexual'. She said yes one of those. He didn't seem to think anything was wrong with that.

I just let the subject trail off...

I really wanted to come out and say that I can relate to him. I wanted to say that he was a transsexual like me. I wanted to say something, but her tone scared the begeezus out of me. I also had the state of mind, the control, to realize that walking along a popular walking path with a lot of other walkers, runners, bladers and bikers was not really the venue for telling your mother that you are a woman and not the man that she had given birth to 47 years ago.

I have never been scared of things in the past. My father had been in the military and when I was a kid he would tell my brother and I to never be afraid, never show your weaknesses, fear is for sissys. My dad left by the time I was 10 and haven't seen him since - thank god. As I got older I had taken up the martial arts. Part of my training (my head instructors were both Viet Nam vets - one a ranger) involved learning to never show fear, learning how to convert fear into strength, etc. So, my whole life I had this notion of fear nothing pounded into me. I can now say with complete honesty that the thought of telling my mother that I am trans scares the crap out of me. I'm not afraid of her hurting me, or doing anything to me, I'm afraid of hurting her. She has been through a lot in her life and I am afraid that this may be the last straw for her. But, I am trying to convince myself that all I have to do is come up with the best words to use to help her understand and to cushion the impact.

I'm certain I am not ready to tell her, I'm still trying to fathom things for myself. It may take a few months for me to gather my strength. I would hope to be able to come out to a few very select friends (who don't know my mother) whom I can trust implicitly - especially one or more female friends. I figure, I can get more support from them, maybe be treated as a sister and feel more comfortable at the thought of venturing out of my room and out into the world as Deanna.

Of course a lot of this is contingent on my finding a job or freelance work to catch up on bills, get some money saved, buy some appropriate going outside clothes that actually fit me and get some practice (education) with makeup, hair, dressing, etc. so that I can feel more confident with myself and my presentation. I have always been a perfectionist and an overachiever (every detail needs to be right before anything). I will get there, it will just take some time.

Having read, part, of Kristi's long running thread chronicling her experiences and adventures, I am even more inspired about my future. Thanks to everyone who has shared their lives with me. I love you all.

Deanna
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