Free “Sex-Change” Surgeries

[Natasha]

Free "Sex-Change" Surgeries 

http://oregonmag.com/BarberSexChange809.html
8/4/09

August 4, 2009, Washington, DC – When asked by Senator Orin Hatch (R-UT) whether President Obama's proposed socialized healthcare plan will mandate taxpayer funded abortion, Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) admitted that it will require "any service deemed medically necessary or medically appropriate." It now appears that the plan's "medically appropriate" umbrella is far more expansive than most Americans could have imagined. In addition to abortion on demand, the weight of the evidence indicates that cosmetic "gender reassignment" surgeries for both U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants who suffer from APA recognized "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID) may also be provided – free of charge – courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. The current price tag for such a procedure can exceed $50,000.   

[Nero]

where do I sign up?

[Mister]

No thanks.  I'd rather be able to choose my own surgeon than wait on a list for years to be told who will be doing my procedure.

[sd]

No thanks.  I'd rather be able to choose my own surgeon than wait on a list for years to be told who will be doing my procedure.

You would still have that option.

[Julie Marie]

Oh yeah, "cosmetic"!  What a crock.  Sometimes I wish I could let these clueless people live our life for a month or so.  Let's see them call it cosmetic after that.

Julie

[Alyx.]

Oh yeah, "cosmetic"!  What a crock.  Sometimes I wish I could let these clueless people live our life for a month or so.  Let's see them call it cosmetic after that.

Julie

I'd still call it cosmetic because it's not life threatening...

[Janet_Girl]

I'd still call it cosmetic because it's not life threatening...

Without it many would rather die.  Isn't that life threatening?

Just give me the money and I will show the government how to save money on MtF SRS.  Ok it wouldn't help the economy in the US, but they can make it up with $600 toilet seats for Air Force One.

Janet

[Tammy Hope]

I wonder at these tactics. if ObamaCare is a bad idea, there are a lot of more practical and common ways to point out the flaws instead of getting on this subject.

This seems to me to be a direct appeal to peoples base fears or bigotries or whatever to marshal those emotions against the plan.

I have no beef with it being opposed (I don't think it will work my own self) but this is weak sauce as an attack.

Plus, I find it strikingly hard to believe that we'd be covered anyway.

That said, if it is going to pass anyway, I certainly hope I'm wrong. Especially if they can get hair removal covered too!

[Janet_Girl]

None of us who are now in transition will be covered because it would classified as a "pre-existing condition".

If they really want to do this correctly, then you have to be naturalized or native born.  Illegals will be banned from having the new health program.  Or just give everyone a credit or a stimulus check.  And don't take it away because one owes back taxes, child support or some other stupid reason.  Just "Jerry Maguire" the damn check.


Janet

[tekla]

Single payer health care is the only way to go.  The USA has a lower child mortality rate than some third world nations.  It's crap.  Find a solution.  And Laura, it's not like if you got sick now, without a job, that anyone would treat you, or are you OK with that?

[LordKAT]

I am totally against single payer health care but if it must be, I agree that only citizens should be allowed to use it as they are the ones paying into it.
Post Merge: August 05, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
"To force Americans, against their conscience, to fund abortion on demand and to facilitate gender confusion by subsidizing the elective practice of genital 'sex-change' mutilation is unconscionable." 

I don't know how they figure it will facilitate gender confusion nor do I think any of us would consider it mutilation. I think infant circumcision is more of mutilation and current insurance companies cover that.

Also , it isn't like it is against all americans conscience. The author has a definite bigoted view.

[Julie Marie]

I'd still call it cosmetic because it's not life threatening...

Then you have no idea what it's like being transsexual.

Julie

[Genevieve Swann]

It most definitely is life threatening with some or there would not be suicide hotlines for TG/TS persons. Orin Hatch was mentioned and it reminded me that the University of Utah Medical Center does free liver transplants since they need the practice. Why not GRS?

[Janet_Girl]

OHSU here is a teaching hospital with ties to the University of Oregon Medical School.  Dr. Meltzer use to be associated with the hospital.  I wonder if they still have a service there?

Would I want to have a student practicing on me?  That would depend on the teacher was and the results.  But if it was free?  Maybe, but then again you get what you pay for.


Janet

[lizbeth]

I am totally against single payer health care but if it must be, I agree that only citizens should be allowed to use it as they are the ones paying into it.

what's it like to be so wealthy that you don't have to worry about health care costs?

and yea, lets blame the illegals some more. what about children and elderly and the unemployed that aren't working? they aren't paying into the system either, should we prevent them from having healthcare too? illegals still pay income taxes and local taxes for the most part, they aren't exactly the drain that people make them out to be.

I'm sorry, I don't really mean this particularly at you, but I hear this argument a lot around here, and believe me it's based a lot on hate and prejudice. it's one of those issues that really gets to me.

[Tammy Hope]

Single payer health care is the only way to go.  The USA has a lower child mortality rate than some third world nations.  It's crap.  Find a solution.  And Laura, it's not like if you got sick now, without a job, that anyone would treat you, or are you OK with that?

It's not legal for them to turn me away. I probably would get the least possible care under the law, and I'd owe a helluvalot of money barring charity.

But treatment would occur.

I know this for a fact because it has happened in my family before (under different circumstances) and in a non-life threatening situation.

[LordKAT]

beth,

I am not wealthy by any means, I live in a friends basement and make min wage. I would still rather pay my own way than have any single payer plan. Children are covered under their parents, elderly have payed into the system already and some still do. As to the unemployed, if no illegal immigrants then less unemployment and as it is illegal for them to work in the US, the chances of them paying taxes and having it recorded instead of getting cash under the table are slim.

Why give them more incentive to come here illegally.

[Nero]

It most definitely is life threatening with some or there would not be suicide hotlines for TG/TS persons. Orin Hatch was mentioned and it reminded me that the University of Utah Medical Center does free liver transplants since they need the practice. Why not GRS?

'practice' and 'grs' together sounds a little scary. 

[Alyx.]

*sigh*

Oh please you guys. We all know that some people would rather commit suicide then stay as thier birth gender. That is what HRT is for, going around as the gender you say you are, But WE are talking about SRS, which IMO is a tolerateable as a tumor in your groin. Except an acual tumor has the chance of killing you... Nobody here goes around naked all the time, so it has no effect on people taking you seriously as a man/woman.

And I know you guys are going to say something about others killing transsexuals because of thier genitalia or something. If that is the case, the problem lies not in the genitals but in the person doing the killing. Having genitals opposite of your gender does may cause a bit of discomfert but is NOT life threatening.

[lizbeth]

beth,

I am not wealthy by any means, I live in a friends basement and make min wage. I would still rather pay my own way than have any single payer plan. Children are covered under their parents, elderly have payed into the system already and some still do. As to the unemployed, if no illegal immigrants then less unemployment and as it is illegal for them to work in the US, the chances of them paying taxes and having it recorded instead of getting cash under the table are slim.

Why give them more incentive to come here illegally.

oh, cool. I just assumed you were wealthy since you are fine with paying thousands of dollars a year in health care costs before you even see a doctor. my mistake.

I bet your employer that can only afford to pay you minimum wage doesn't even offer health benifits, and if they do, how would you afford your premiums on minimum wage?  under a single payer system, small business wouldn't be as burdened with providing health care plans to their employees either. 

am I correct in assuming that since you have a minimum wage job, that you are just on your parents health care plan? your parents have to pay quite the premium to insure you (assuming they are covered through their work) since most employers only contribute for the employee and you are responsible with paying the full premium for your spouse and children. you are the prime example of WHY we need a single payer system in this country.

and maybe they don't have fake IDs in your area, but trust me - if the "illegal aliens" were only working jobs under the table, you would have nothing to worry about.



heartwood: what about reconstructive breast surgery? it's purely cosmetic as well, and yet it's already covered by most insurance. I also doubt that the women getting reconstructive breast surgery consider it cosmetic either.