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Re: HGH round 2

Started by Vancha, August 08, 2009, 12:24:59 AM

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Vancha

Quote from: Arch on August 08, 2009, 12:01:44 AM
I think it's not just the absence of a penis that will doom me--it's also the presence of the female genitals.

I decided that I didn't wanted genital surgery unless it could give me the real thing in one procedure, without a large risk of complications or revisions. I don't want meta, and I don't think meta would help me much in the gay world. But I have to admit...at least with meta, I could get a vaginectomy and balls.

I have very mixed feelings about my front hole, but I don't want to trade it in for anything less than a fully functional and cosmetically pleasing penis. So I'm staying put. And I can't afford meta anyway.

I wish I could poll all the single gay and bi guys in my county and ask them the same questions that Nero posed in the OP. That would give me a place to start. Hey, Nero, how do you feel about becoming a door to door pollster?

You should look into HGH.  Which is what I am doing.  Mister has spoken a lot about it - it can give you a realistic size, and with surgery, even better results than a phalloplasty.  I think the surgical techniques for that would be simply a meta, or something similar, but your dick size in the end would be... Well.  Realistic.

It may only work with some guys but it has shown pretty damn good results.  But it is expensive without insurance.

I just feel like spreading my growing knowledge of growth hormone because I want to see if I can help those who are particularly afflicted by dysphoria "down there".
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Nero

Quote from: Adrian on August 08, 2009, 12:24:59 AM
You should look into HGH.  Which is what I am doing.  Mister has spoken a lot about it - it can give you a realistic size, and with surgery, even better results than a phalloplasty.  I think the surgical techniques for that would be simply a meta, or something similar, but your dick size in the end would be... Well.  Realistic.

It may only work with some guys but it has shown pretty damn good results.  But it is expensive without insurance.

I just feel like spreading my growing knowledge of growth hormone because I want to see if I can help those who are particularly afflicted by dysphoria "down there".

not to derail the convo here, but are there any pictures of results from this HGH plan? Clit growth varies from guy to guy and some guys end up with enough to penetrate off T (supposedly). It would help to know if HGH shows consistent results or if some guys just got lucky.  :)
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Arch

Quote from: Nero on August 08, 2009, 12:32:32 AM
not to derail the convo here, but are there any pictures of results from this HGH plan? Clit growth varies from guy to guy and some guys end up with enough to penetrate off T. It would help to know if HGH shows consistent results or if some guys just got lucky.  :)

We're sort of off topic, but I, too, would like more substantive info about HGH. Anyone know where there's more info? I guess I could google certain keywords...but it would be nice to get direct references, especially if a google search turns up useless results.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Nero

split into a new topic.  :)

Post Merge: August 08, 2009, 01:05:07 AM

I wasn't able to find anything googling HGH and ftms. So, far a lot of articles on HGH and aging. I'm hoping for a stash of clit photos somewhere.  :laugh:
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Nero

Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
There are no studies on the effectiveness of HGH in FTM penile development and I've never met another FTM who's taken it.  No photos will be made available of my results.

ah darn.  :laugh:
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Arch

Quote from: Nero on August 08, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
ah darn.  :laugh:

I was about to say the same thing, Nero. All in good fun, of course.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Nero

So Mister, I guess that makes you a pioneer.  :)
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Vancha

Just because I love you guys to the deepest reaches of my heart, I think I'd be willing to make a photo diary of sorts, to show my experience with HGH should I be able to get some. (Hopefully).  I just think something like this should be available.  I am horrendously self-conscious but so what?  If it would do someone a good service, I'd be willing to do it.

Oh, and - a little research in penile development in genetic males will yield some interesting conclusions.  To bring it into perspective, think about how a male fetuses' genitals change in the womb.  The infant is born with a small penis, at best only an inch in length. (And this is by total estimate, I have no idea the average length of an infant penis, as I don't look into this very often  :laugh:).  Testosterone alone will grow the penis to about this size.  Most of the growth associated with an adult male penis occurs during puberty, when HGH is being secreted at its highest level.  Along with causing bone growth, HGH probably has the function of growing male genitals.  Now, I think a person not taking (or producing) testosterone would not experience genital growth - nor would a man who had normal growth during adolescence - but from what I have seen, men with growth hormone deficiency (which causes "buried penis" - very similar to the size of the enlarged clitoris often associated with growth due to T) will see enough growth to give them an average size and function.  So, if HGH contributes to genital growth in cisgendered males, both during an "average" puberty and later in life should they have a deficiency of HGH, then I think it would be only logical to draw the conclusion that it would help us.
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Vancha

Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 02:20:14 AM
That, along with a bunch more biochemistry, is exactly what i pitched to my doctor.

Should I prepare a bunch of biochemistry to throw at her, or do you think with that simple explanation, she would be satisfied?  I suppose it is really a case-to-case matter.  Would this biochemistry only be available in the endocrinologist texts you mentioned?  Finding those seems highly unlikely.
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Vancha

Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
I based my biochem argument on information from an endocrinology class and it's supportive texts.  where else they'd be available, i'm not sure.

If need be, one could certainly correspond with an endocrinologist.
In fact, seeing as most people aren't likely to come into possession of these texts or go to an class in endocrinology, it may come in handy to simply talk to someone more experienced.
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Miniar

I'd be up for photo-documenting my results with HGH as well if I'm able to talk my doctor into prescribing it.
Not just cause I love ya guys but because.. well.. I take pleasure in the idea that my results and experiences can be helpful for others.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Jay

Quote from: Miniar on August 08, 2009, 07:18:25 AM
I'd be up for photo-documenting my results with HGH as well if I'm able to talk my doctor into prescribing it.
Not just cause I love ya guys but because.. well.. I take pleasure in the idea that my results and experiences can be helpful for others.

I agree, I would ask well :)

Jay


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Vancha

Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
i appreciate your sentiments that you'd make your results publicly viewable, but look at the comments of pretty any bottom surg photo--  nothing about people talking about it's imperfections, how it's not good enough, etc etc.  i'm sure that you'd probably change your tunes, or at very least second guess your decision to share you photos w/ others.

That is something to think about.  I am not exactly charmed by that idea, so it's more likely I'd just show my results to those who came to me asking for them for a specific reason.
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Nero

Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
i appreciate your sentiments that you'd make your results publicly viewable, but look at the comments of pretty any bottom surg photo--  nothing about people talking about it's imperfections, how it's not good enough, etc etc.  i'm sure that you'd probably change your tunes, or at very least second guess your decision to share you photos w/ others.

good point. nobody wants their junk picked apart like that.
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Miniar

I'll just put mine up somewhere where there is NO OPTION to comment ;)



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Vancha

Quote from: Miniar on August 08, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
I'll just put mine up somewhere where there is NO OPTION to comment ;)

That's always good, but you know the fools will be thinking it.  So it is basically a matter of whether you want them thinking it or just saying it.  Either way, I wouldn't be adverse to helping others by giving them pictures, as individuals for a purpose.
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Silver

I'd appreciate some pictures, as I want to know what I'd be getting into. It's not like I have any other way to find out whether or not HGH is worth it.

SilverFang
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Vancha

Quote from: SilverFang on August 08, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
I'd appreciate some pictures, as I want to know what I'd be getting into. It's not like I have any other way to find out whether or not HGH is worth it.

SilverFang

Exactly, and it can be expensive.
But it's unlikely I'll even start HGH and T for... Another few months at the earliest.  However, I'm sure there will be more people interested in these things, and I would be glad to help them.
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Ellieka

Hi guys I know this really isn't my area to be posting in but I found it quite interesting.

I did a bit of creative googling and came up with this about WWE start Joanie Laurer. Now I can't say how accurate this information is and I don't know what steroids she was actually on if any but the images (LINK REMOVED) had me wondering a bit.

I didn't post this for any pornographic purpose so if the mods feel it is inappropriate please remove it. It is intended for informational purposes only.


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On second thought... just Google Joanie Laurer
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Vancha

Quote from: Cami on August 09, 2009, 02:34:14 AM
Hi guys I know this really isn't my area to be posting in but I found it quite interesting.

I did a bit of creative googling and came up with this about WWE start Joanie Laurer. Now I can't say how accurate this information is and I don't know what steroids she was actually on if any but the images (LINK REMOVED) had me wondering a bit.

I didn't post this for any pornographic purpose so if the mods feel it is inappropriate please remove it. It is intended for informational purposes only.


edit
On second thought... just Google Joanie Laurer

I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for, any search shows only pictures of a woman, no reason to be seen as pornographic in any sense.
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