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Started by Mr. Brightside., August 11, 2009, 06:17:19 PM

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Mr. Brightside.

Hey everybody, I'm new to the forum.
I am...extremely confused.
And I was hoping someone would have some advice for me.
I recently came out as bisexual, and I'm starting to think I'm really transgender. Then I think I can't be, because I'm not uncomfortable in my body, and I don't mind being a girl.
But then I think "What if I were a guy?", and I think about how much easier it would be. I have pretty much always thought being a gay man would be the best thing ever.
I am so beyond confused. Does anyone have any advice?
Thanks in advance.  :D
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Calistine

Hi! I actually kinda feel the way you do. I never really liked being a girl, I would rather be a boy, but it hasn't been absolute torture either. Its one of those things that a gender therapist can help you figure out.
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Vancha

Hey, and welcome to Susan's.

Well, being transgender doesn't mean you think being the opposite sex will be easier or more fun.  Both genders sometimes feel that being the other would be easier because of society.  Maybe it's just my experience alone, but I always knew my identity was male, so that was the cause for my feelings of dysphoria and my interest in transitioning.  It had nothing to do with what I thought would be better, but seeing as my identity is male, I feel that it obviously would be better for me.

So the question is - who are you?
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Mr. Brightside.

Well, I'm not sure.
I feel like I could be happy either way.
But I don't know if I feel strongly enough to change.
I... ???
Just don't know.
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Janet_Girl

Hi Mr. Brightside, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 2900 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another member. :icon_hug:

And be sure to check out

Blessed Be.
Janet
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Vancha

Quote from: Mr. Brightside. on August 11, 2009, 07:14:04 PM
Well, I'm not sure.
I feel like I could be happy either way.
But I don't know if I feel strongly enough to change.
I... ???
Just don't know.

There's no rush.  Take time to think, reflect, and dig deeply.  If you feel like there is a conflict, there is.  Read around and you'll hear lots of other stories that may be helpful.   :)
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J.T.

"But then I think "What if I were a guy?", and I think about how much easier it would be. I have pretty much always thought being a gay man would be the best thing ever"

Thinking and being are two different things.  A lot of people think exactly what you said, but that doesn't make them trans.  When i came out to my friend he told me that he once thought it would easier to be a girl... he's a married heterosexual.

However, only you know what is really going on in your head.
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petzjazz

(sigh) Let's take a look. So you want to be a gay, female-bodied man because you think it would be easier than being a girl. Please fill out the following RTWBT (Reality-To-Would-Be-->-bleeped-<-) questionaire:

1) Are you willing to forsake the love and respect of most (or all) of your family, friends, and loved ones if they reject your new identity?
2) Are you willing to be viewed as an aberration and a freak by many of the people who once or would have otherwise respected you?
3) If you do not want to be viewed as a "man" with an asterisk "*used to be a girl and doesn't have a penis" for the rest of your life, are you willing to pack up and leave behind everything you know and cherish?
4) Are you willing to subject yourself to (and pay for) months of therapy for your T prescription? Furthermore, are you willing to lie to the therapist by claiming to have actual dysphoria (instead of just thinking "being a gay guy would totally rock")?
5) You want to be a gay man. Are you willing to accept that 99% of gay men will not want to be in a relationship (or even have a plain old one-night-stand) with you because you do not have a penis? Are you okay with the fact that many gay men will accuse you of being "fake" and will tell you to "come back when you don't have a vagina" (an actual quote I remember from a thread here about gay mens' reactions to FTMs)? Are you okay with being viewed as "the worst yaoi fangirl/->-bleeped-<-hag ever" and not as an actual man by a great deal of gay men?
6) Are you willing to risk going bald and growing forests of back and butt-crack hair?
7) Since you're genetically female, unless you're like Miniar (I think he's 6 ft), you're probably well below average male height (5' 9.5" for white men in America). Are you okay with being a short man, and all the social dissrespects that go with it?
8) Are you willing to submit yourself to expensive and painful surgery (top surgery) and more expensive and painful surgery (hysterectomy) in order to become legally male? And if you're considering bottom surgery, are you willing to submit yourself to EXTREMELY expensive and painful surgery only to wind up with either a not-very-functional or ridiculously-small neophallus and plastic testicles?
9) Are you willing to fight with multiple bureaucracies and leap through endless legal hoops in order to become legally male?
10) Are you willing to be shunned by many employers for your gender identity and to risk being jobless for extremely extended periods of time unless you find a TG-friendly employer?
11) If you begin a new life as a male after all of this, are you willing to accept that at any moment someone could do a background check on you, find out your TG status and out you to the entire community?
12) Are you willing to render yourself impotent (with T and/or a hysto) for the rest of your life? Are you willing to risk never having genetic children?
13) Are you willing to do all in questionss 1-12 just because you think "being a gay man would be the best thing ever"?

Being transgender is not fun. Being transgender is not easy. Being transgender is not "the best thing ever". FTMs transition because they find the prospect of living in a female body to be worse than death; they transition because their only alternative would be to commit suicide. They do not transition because they think it would be "fun". I recommend that you go to a therapist with a lot of FTM patient experience and let him/her figure out what's up with you. Meanwhile, weigh everything horrible and agonizing about transitioning and living as an FTM (for the REST OF YOUR LIFE) against your desire to have sex with gay men.
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Vancha

Somehow, I get the feeling that was a tad negative.  Not 99% of all gay men don't want to be with FTMs.  Not every community is going to be disrespecting and out you.  You're not going to necessarily live without a penis, with some of our most recent findings.  There are sacrifices, but I think the overall question is:

Can you deal with surgery, expenses, all the little traits that come with being male that may be unsavory, risk losing family members and friends, to be happy with your identity?

I don't necessarily think it's life vs. death, I think it's a good life vs. a bad life.  I think if I didn't transition, eventually I would be so deep in depression, I would either retreat into my head entirely, or commit suicide.  But not right now.  I just foresee that happening in my life, as well as ...just a lack of wellness in relationships and life in general.

So, to the original poster - just think about it.
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K8

For some of us it is a life vs. death thing.  For many others of us it is a life of awkwardness or a life of comfort in who we are.  Although I did some really stupid things that could have killed me, I was never suicidal.

I used to think it would be easier to be a gay man, probably because that role is defined in society.  I could picture that in my head.  But what was I?  I couldn't figure it out.

It helps to be able to talk to others about all this.  As you talk to others, you begin working through the knots in your head.  I've found this forum to be a big help.  I've found some close friends to be a big help, although they only have so much patience listening to my angst.  I found counseling to be a huge help.

Welcome, Mr. Brightside.  Finding who and what we are can take a while.  It sounds like you are well started on that yourney.  May your future be bright.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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LordKAT

well petzjazz post may seem negative, it does have all the possible negatives and well worth thinking about. He did not mention the worse ones such as the higher rate of death by violent crime or the bathroom troubles especially if you drink or hang with drunk people. I think those are all things worth thinking about before you take a drastic road that has  a definite point of no return.

Mr. Brightside,

My suggestion is same as Kyle's, find a therapist to help you sort it out.
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Mr. Brightside.

I realize how big a commiment it is to go through all the therapy and surgery, and the way society would treat me. I live in a relatively small, close minded city, and know the way things are. I've seen people be outed.  I have considered all of this. As I said, I am extremely confused. Also, I'm not some 30-something person who knows what they're doing. I'm still figuring out who I am. For all intents and purposes, i'm a confused teenager, who hopes to find a better grip on myself. Thanks to everyone so far. You are all helping so much.
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sneakersjay

Just for the record, taking T and having a hysterectomy doesn't render you impotent.  Infertile, yes.

Like the others said, gather info, and find a good gender therapist to help you sort things out.  Welcome to the group.


Jay


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CodyJess

Welcome. You're certainly not the only one to be confused as $%^ when trying to figure out who you are and what you want for yourself. We can start a club! Ha ha.

This place is great. Hang out, read a lot, and learn. Good luck finding yourself. :)
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LordKAT

there is nothing wrong with experimenting, even if just in your mind, with what it would be like for you in any given situation. Just remember to think of both the positives and negatives before doing anything that cannot be undone.
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Hector

If it could be of help, I am (was) me too confused. For me it's not a Life or Death thing, but it's more like Good Quality of Life and Bad Quality of Life. Maybe I can force myself to return to be the girl all people want, but inside I'd feel miserable and self-destructing again.

I can quote K8 suggestions, and also try to experiment. Cut your hair, try masculine clothes, just do what makes you feel good. If you feel better with a masculine hair cut, or with masculine clothes, or with a binder, well, use it.
You'll discover who you really are with time.

Anyway, don't think that being a gay man is easier that being a woman, because it's not so :P Also because, as someone told before, usually gay man doesn't like FTM guys.  :-\
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Vancha

I used to think it wasn't a life vs. death situation.  I used to think I didn't have much body dysphoria or anything at all.

And as time goes on, I start to see exactly how bad it all is.  I'm looking to buy a binder, an STP / packer from Mango.  I can imagine myself sleeping with these things, my dysphoria is growing so horribly bad.  I just feel I sometimes can't cope for so long.  Any self doubts I am having are usually just based around this annoying self-hatred I've grown into.  The whole experience is just ripping away my guise and makes me realize more and more that I am not a man.  It is showing me my limitations, ripping away my comfort blanket, and that is when I feel most lacking.  The fact that I don't have a male body cannot be ignored.

So... Really, as time goes by and you search, everything will eventually become clear to you.
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