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Started by Walter, August 17, 2009, 04:34:21 PM

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Walter

Sorry if I put this in the wrong place..

Sometimes I go to church. I'm right next to one. I enjoy socializing with people with (mostly) the same beliefs as me. I'm Christian. I sort of "came out" to the church a while ago but since then everyone (including the youth teacher) has left. It now has a new group of people and a youth teacher. When I came out before, the teacher wasn't accepting of it. He barely knew what "transgender" meant. Now that everyone's left (for some reason I still don't know) and new people are there, I don't know exactly what their beliefs are or what. I only went to a youth session once with the new people. They seemed nice I guess. I'd kind of like to come out to the new people but I don't know how accepting they are to it. I'm curious if there's a way I could find out where they stand with this sort of thing. Should I just come out and say what I am or should I ask what their opinions are on the subject? The reason I even want to do this is because I'm tired of going to church and having to act like the girl they see me as. I can't be myself there...If they were accepting of it then that'd be great but I doubt they are since the people before them weren't.

So I guess my question is: What would be a good way to find out if the church I'm going to is accepting of trans people? Should I come out to the youth leader or ask somehow what the church thinks of them or what?

I'm kinda lost...yeah
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K8

I would ask, point-blank, if the church supports LGBT rights.  You don't have to out yourself - you can just say you have friends that are LGBT and that you support their rights and are interested in the issues.

Now, if they say they support LGBT rights but then turn their back on you when and if you out yourself, that's another issue.  >:(

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Walter

Quote from: K8 on August 17, 2009, 08:45:49 PM
I would ask, point-blank, if the church supports LGBT rights.  You don't have to out yourself - you can just say you have friends that are LGBT and that you support their rights and are interested in the issues.

Now, if they say they support LGBT rights but then turn their back on you when and if you out yourself, that's another issue.  >:(

- Kate

Yeah. That'd be hypocrisy. And if they were like that, then they don't deserve to have any more followers of that church
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Alyssa M.

Vincent, I think you'll find that almost every church has lots of hypocrisy. But as the saying goes, there's always room for one more. The same is true for any other organization that seeks to promote virtue (say, the Sierra Club, to take an obvious example).

Anyway, I'm not sure exactly what your situation is, but the way I came out at church was to start by coming out to people I was pretty sure would be supportive and who were closer friends (actually, very close friends). I felt that they needed to know. They suggested some other people to speak to before I spoke with the rector, who gave me some insight into how the rector might react, and when I finally spoke to her, I made it clear that I needed to be able to come to church as a girl, because it was causing so much stress to come as a guy. Basically, I tried to make honesty my guide. I came out to people explaining that this was important to me, something that wouldn't change, a big part of my life, and something I felt was getting in the way of my relationship with them and the church, and asked for their help. It seemed to work well. This might be harder for you if you aren't that close to people there right now, but maybe you can do something similar.

I'm not sure if I totally agree with Kate's approach; I think it depends on your personality. What I worry about is that it isn't LGBT rights in the abstract that they ought to be worrying about, but the ability of their members to have life in abundance, regardless of any label someone might stick on them. I have seen some churches that are self-consciously "open and affirming" (i.e., towards LGBT folk) but make you feel like a token.

I guess what I'm saying overall is that it doesn't matter if they accepting of trans people, only that they are accepting of you.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Nicky

My feeling is you don't have to do anything, other people don't need to explain to you that they are male or female. Just go in, balls out. Wear what you like, behave as you. End of the day they don't actually have a say in who you are.

It would seem silly to me to go to a church that did not support LGBT people. I like K8s approach. But I also agree with Alyssa that they just need to accept you. I think you have to let your own compass guide you there.
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Suzy

If you tell us what kind of a church it is, we can probably tell you right off.   But I do agree that you should just go and be yourself.  See if they accept you.  That is the only real way to know.

Kristi
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Walter

I think it's an Evangelical-Free church. That's what they used to be but they changed their name also. So I don't know if they still are or not

And another unfortunate thing is that my parents won't let me take my hat to church for some reason. That hat is pretty much a part of my personality (as retarded as that sounds). They're afraid I'll lose it or something. Hell I'm pretty responsible when it comes to things like that. I don't know....

(I'm not in the swellest of moods right at the minute. Sry if I come of as a jackass)
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LordKAT

I was raised where men don't wear hats in church but ladies can. Maybe that is their thinking also.
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Walter

Hmm..Odd but ok I'll respect it

I'm not close enough to any of the people there yet...so I guess it'd be better if I waited to come out. I'd kinda like to know first what they're gonna think of it though before I get attached to going there
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tekla

Start with the pastor, the person in charge, they tend to call the shots, the youth minister tends not to get to call much, well, except Chris Hansen on the other youth minister. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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K8

It depends on how integrated you are into the church.  If people know you and you have friends there, I completely agree with Alyssa's approach.  (That's sort of what I did at my church, where I'd been on the board of directors and already had many friends.)  But if no one knows you and you are just someone who shows up once in a while, you might feel them out a little first.

We all attack these things in our own style.  My style would be to show up as a normal person who is interested and friendly and try to get to know some people.  I think if you go with an attitude of "This is who I am, take it or leave it (and screw you if you don't like it)" you will find people less responsive.  I DO NOT mean you have to be someone you aren't; what I DO mean is that if you are interested in joining their group then you don't want to turn them off before they get to know you. 

Go with openness and good intentions rather than defensively.

Let us know how it goes, Vincent.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Ms Bev

I would simply continue to attend, and participate in any activities you wished to.  I would above all be myself, and as in my own (new) church family, it's obvious to them that I'm gay.....we joined together as a couple, but otherwise, my bodily history is of no consequence (to me), and certainly no one else's business.



Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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