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Transgender prisoners sentenced to rape

Started by Shana A, August 25, 2009, 11:22:22 PM

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Shana A

Transgender prisoners sentenced to rape

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from justdetention international

http://queerswithoutborders.com/wpmu/blog/2009/08/25/transgender-prisoners-sentenced-to-rape/

Prison officials need to do more to protect inmates from sexual assault. And there is one group of inmates whose vulnerability has gone all but unnoticed — and that's people who are transgender.

The majority of U.S. corrections systems house inmates based on their birth gender, disregarding other factors, such as physical appearance that may be entirely feminine (including breasts) or government identity documents that categorize these individuals as female.

Not surprisingly, while in men's detention facilities, most transgender women are sexually assaulted.
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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tekla

All prisoners are open for rape.  Some more likely than others, but its a reality in prison.  But, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime, and, AND legalize it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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LordKAT

Prison or not you have a right to be safe.
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tekla

The people who you attacked, robbed, raped, and ripped off BEFORE you got to prison had rights too.  But ->-bleeped-<- them, worry about the criminal.  Sorry, I'm not going to do that.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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V M

So, what your saying is that committing a crime in a correctional institution is okay because it is general knowledge?
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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- V M
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tekla

No, I'm saying, its general knowledge that you don't want to go to prison.  So don't kill people, or rob them, or any of the other things you go to jail for.  Except drugs, legalize them.

I mean, your not seriously considering that people who never obeyed anyone, anything, or any law before they went to jail are going to start once they are there are you?  Me either.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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V M

Unfortunately, many offenders recycle themselves with stupid stuff  :P
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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GinaDouglas

I've said it before, if someone is legally female, they are entitled to be treated as female.  This includes being housed in a womens' prison.

We also need to keep in mind that people are sometimes wrongly accused and wrongly convicted.  If it's not bad enough to be wrongly convicted of a crime one did not committ, imagine having it made worse by being sentenced to the wrong prison too.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Cindy

I thought the legal system in the USA, UK and AUS had a duty of care to people under it. While we know that violence including rape exists in gaol we should not condone it. I may have no sympathy for a particular criminal but as a human I feel my government should be responsible for their saftey. Otherwise just kill them; and I don't think that is a way forward for the development of humanity

And Tekla, if it's a crime; it's a crime. If doing certain drugs is a crime well so be it. It used to be that (attempted) suicide was a crime. They let the person recover and than hanged them (UK).
Just because the law is an ass doesn't mean it isn't a law.

Cindy
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finewine

A custodial sentence is supposed to represent an appropriate punitive debt to society, which may include rehabilitation, public protection and a few other aims.  One is not "sentenced to be a rape victim", hence being raped in prison is not just part of the debt a convict may have to pay.

It is hard to empathize with a violent criminal who paid no attention to the rights of their victim.  I'm not sure that this acquits the system from a duty of care, however.  Besides, custodial sentences aren't the sole purview of violent offenders so getting your ring-piece pounded by Bubba seems somewhat extreme for that short stretch you're doing for the fine you couldn't pay.  Not that Bubba gives a toss where you deserve it or not anyway.

Or to put it more glibly - two wrongs don't make a right.
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tekla

There are two categories of criminals in the United States, the majority of them are in for stupid stuff that in a free society would not be against the law, but the remainder - at least in the US - are very violent, brutal, depraved psychopaths who have no place in anything considered 'social' or 'civilized'.

If someone is in jail for the first, that's bad, when they are there because they killed people, I could care less. And, of course, when you put a bunch of real life true psychos together, bad things happen.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Constance

Quote from: tekla on August 25, 2009, 11:51:10 PM
The people who you attacked, robbed, raped, and ripped off BEFORE you got to prison had rights too.  But ->-bleeped-<- them, worry about the criminal.  Sorry, I'm not going to do that.
But, not everyone who gets convicted are actually guilty.

sd

Some people are also put in for bad judgements, what could have been just an accident or impossible situation but because of some weird law they get put behind bars. If a teen drinks and drives and kills someone  accidentally does that mean they should be subject to a lifetime of rape? They made a mistake. That is very different from someone who goes out and purposely kills someone. How about not paying attention while texting and kills someone.


There is A LOT of gray area between a minor crime and 1st degree murder. Hell, just hacking a computer can carry a lifetime sentence these days. All it takes a judge having a bad day and your life goes from bad, to worst you can possibly imagine.


A judge is sentencing you to confinement, NOT a sentence of rape and torture.
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tekla

True that Shades, but not as often as people might like to think.  And, aside from the problem with your daughters school, we also had this big murder case going on, some model, Playboy centerfold type was killed by her hubby/BF (I'm not sure which) and after killing her, he cut off her fingers, smashed up her face and knocked out her teeth so she couldn't be IDed - they did that through the serial numbers in her breast implants.  Lucky for all of us he killed himself before he was caught, sparing us a trial.  But, what do you do with people like that?  Or the Nixon guy last year who shot four Oakland police officers in broad daylight?  Or the gangbangers who kill for territory to sell drugs on? 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Constance

But, what do you do with people like that?

Solitary confinement would be my suggestion. I confess I don't have the answers. But, is it OK to have a *bleep* them all because most of them are rotten? Rape is a crime regardless of where it's committed. Likewise with assault/battery and murder.

Just my $.02.

Shana

Once they become wards of the state, they are legally under the protection of the state.

Anything that happens to a prisoner during their stay is the responsibility of the state and facility in which they are housed.

It is a sad state of affairs that our jails, prisons, work farms and hospices are filled to the brim, under staffed and dealing with a system and public that turn a blind eye to what is happening within their walls. Guards face burnout, fatigue, and corruptive influence. In many facilities it is actually the gangs who are actually keeping things under control and wardens have to negotiate for concessions. How sad is that?

I agree, that post op or nearly op T's should be incarcerated in facilities based on their new gender. Everyone else.. no.  I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this one, but it is more a problem of facilities management and until we begin creating "other" wings within existing facilities or farm out the housing of T prisoners to a single facility, we have to face reality.

Believe me.. there is stigma on a post op in a women's facility, with the possibility of violence, murder, rape by device, and more. Female prisoners aren't just sweet little grandmas waiting to bake cookies. A pre op or other would require just as much special treatment and housing as in a male facility..

And here is another conundrum for you lawyer types: What about our brothers? Should they be sent to the meat-grinder that is a federal facility as accessory if they just happened to be in the car, even if they aren't post op?

Nearly all prisoners are released back into society.. Until we have a "put em in a hole and leave them till they rott" system (God forbid.) Do we really want to have someone so totally damaged by the system, even for a minor crime in a county lock-up that their only recourse is to turn their backs on civilized living?

And remember people; In some states, just being who we are is a crime.

Sorry for the rant.. I will bow out for a while and just listen..  :embarrassed:
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Julie Marie

While talking to the assistant warden of a prison known for its hard core prisoners, he told me the prisoners run the prison.  I asked why he allowed that, as if there was nothing he could do about it.  He said if they tried to take control the prisoners would riot and guards would die.  Besides, they didn't have the personnel necessary to create the level of enforcement needed.  It made sense but it still surprised me to hear that.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Maebh

Quote from: tekla on August 25, 2009, 11:51:10 PM
The people who you attacked, robbed, raped, and ripped off BEFORE you got to prison had rights too.  But ->-bleeped-<- them, worry about the criminal.  Sorry, I'm not going to do that.

Not everyone end up in jail for such crimes. Like society on the outside, prison is not an homogenous population. Institutionalised violence only serve the more violent and vicious offenders, leaving them free reign to find other defenceless victims on the inside.
What lesson will one learn from that? What warped understanding  and attitude will one come out with?

HLL&R

Maebh

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Nero

Quote from: CindyJames on August 26, 2009, 04:09:46 AM
It used to be that (attempted) suicide was a crime. They let the person recover and than hanged them (UK).

Seriously?  Why kill them if they didn't want them to do it themselves? How long ago?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Maebh

Quote from: Nero on August 26, 2009, 04:10:12 PM
Seriously? When was this? Why kill them if they didn't want them to do it themselves?

Here in good Catholic Ireland, up to the 1950's, you could procecuted and sent to jail for attempting to kill yourself as it was akined to attempted murder. Even to these days some Fundamentalist "Christian" Churches refuse sacraments and religious burials on consecrated ground to someone who commited suicide.

HLL&R

Maebh
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