Nullification

[Sarra]

Has anyone here had a nullification performed on them? I'm seriously thinking about getting one, at least doing an Orchie then in a few months, or years, doing the penectomy. I honestly don't know if SRS would be beneficial for me.

[BrandiOK]

  I feel silly because I don't know what a "nullification" is.

[tinkerbell]

I had never heard of nullification before until someone brought the subject up at the forums.  I know that orchiectomies are perfomed on MTF transsexuals who can't have SRS for medical or financial reasons.  However, as I said on my previous post, I don't think you will find a reputable surgeon in this country who will dissect and remove a healthy penis just because the patient wants it removed, unless of course there is a medical reason or the patient is undergoing SRS.

Normally, these types of operations are widely common in Asia and the Middle East, but I would imagine that they also carry very serious risks for the patient.

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Body Nullification


tinkerbell

[Melissa]

  I feel silly because I don't know what a "nullification" is.

Nullification basically is removal of the testes and penis, but without creation of a vagina.  A urethra is created for purposes of urination.  A couple advantages to nullification over GRS is that you don't need to worry about dialation and the costs are usually less.

Melissa

[Sarra]

There is a doctor in my stat who can and will perform a genital nullification with a pair of letters from psychiatrists. Believe it or not, my insurance would even cover it. o.O

I guess I see myself being more androgenous than TS, so a nullification would make more sense to me than GRS. =\

And speaking of medical reasons, I have frequent pain in my testes, yet none of the doctors I have talked to about it have cared at all. >_< I relaly should see a urologist, it gets too bad to walk at times.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I should go to the doctor as well.  I've been having painful urination lately and it's probably some kind of infection I should get checked out.    It's not that I mind going to the doctor, but sometimes I don't schedule the time when in fact I should. 

Melissa

[ssindysmith]

Not to drag up old news but this fits, My BF always trying to make me happy ( I so want the smooth look in my bikini, what girl doesn't) he brought up the subject of a penectomy and a few questions that popped up (insert pun) would that count as a sex change? although not entirely male nor female but for legal purposes could I get a legal gender change? I already have a court ordered name change and I coned our DMV into changing the sex marker on my DL but my birth cert and SS info hasn't been changed, how important is that?

Second, beside having the smooth look how desensitized does the area become, besides the obvious, I would like to talk with someone that has had this done

[katia]

a penectomy has the [same legal validity] as an orchiectomy; legally it does not entitle any mtf ts post-op status because technically it can't be called gender reassignment surgery.

[tinkerbell]

Not to drag up old news but this fits, My BF always trying to make me happy ( I so want the smooth look in my bikini, what girl doesn't) he brought up the subject of a penectomy and a few questions that popped up (insert pun) would that count as a sex change? although not entirely male nor female but for legal purposes could I get a legal gender change? I already have a court ordered name change and I coned our DMV into changing the sex marker on my DL but my birth cert and SS info hasn't been changed, how important is that?

Prior to 2004 or 2005, many transsexuals were able to change their social security records, but nowadays the Social Security Administration requires proof of Sex Reassignment Surgery.  No, neither a penectomy nor an orchiectomy is considered male to female sex reassignment.   Post-op constitutes that the MTF patient has undergone Male to Female Vaginoplasty, meaning that there has to be a vaginal cavity present along with labia (majora and minora), a repositioned urethra, and a clitoris.

tink

[Maud]

James bellringer here in the UK offers a procedure without a vagina, just the external vulva. I suppose it's more aimed a lesbians who don't care for penetration or dilation, plus it's cheaper.

[Melissa]

Post-op constitutes that the MTF patient has undergone Male to Female Vaginoplasty, meaning that there has to be a vaginal cavity present along with labia (majora and minora), a repositioned urethra, and a clitoris.

I think if you have the 2 stage procedure, after the first stage and before the labioplasty, you are able to legally change your gender.  Some people also decide to forego the second stage and still get it changed.

Melissa

[tinkerbell]

James bellringer here in the UK offers a procedure without a vagina, just the external vulva. I suppose it's more aimed a lesbians who don't care for penetration or dilation, plus it's cheaper.

I have heard that this type of procedure is also done in Thailand.  I wonder how it works when urinating since I'd imagine that the position of the urethra is not modified.

Post-op constitutes that the MTF patient has undergone Male to Female Vaginoplasty, meaning that there has to be a vaginal cavity present along with labia (majora and minora), a repositioned urethra, and a clitoris.

I think if you have the 2 stage procedure, after the first stage and before the labioplasty, you are able to legally change your gender.  Some people also decide to forego the second stage and still get it changed.

Melissa

Yup, true.  A labia "minora" is not needed.  Most surgeons like Brassard and Bowers perform a one-stage operation where the labia minora is constructed; the results are  excellent for a one-stage vaginoplasty.  Others, however, like Dr. Meltzer and some Thai surgeons perform the two-stage procedure, but most girls opt not to have it, especially the Meltzer girls  , for the first op is done remarkably well and a labiaplasty is not often needed.


tink

[Thundra]

Body parts commonly removed by those practicing body nullification include:

Fingers
Toes
Penis (penectomy)
Testicles (castration)
Clitoris
Labia
Nipples

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Why?   I feel nauseous!

I am kinky as hell -- knifeplay doesn't bother me, or even needle play. Hell, even suspensions are cool!  But, WTF is up with this deal?

I am a big 'ole lesbo, and I wouldn't want my womyn to not have a hoo-hah!

[Sheila]

I wonder where you all get your information from. Social Security is a federal office, so it should be the same in all 50 states. I just received my yearly form from Social Security and I also went down to change my name and gender. On my yearly statement it has no mention of gender on it anywhere and neither does my wifes. When I went down to change everything over, years ago, I did not have to state what gender I was. I just changed my name. They gave a new card and no where on the card does it say male or female. So, I guess I'm out in lala land again, cause I can not find anything with a gender marker  on it in the Social Security department. If you do, would let me know where to look. As I have been down to the office several times for a mistake in my name. I also told them my gender and they just look at me like Well, so, are you complaining or bragging?
Sheila

[tinkerbell]

I wonder where you all get your information from. Social Security is a federal office, so it should be the same in all 50 states. I just received my yearly form from Social Security and I also went down to change my name and gender. On my yearly statement it has no mention of gender on it anywhere and neither does my wifes. When I went down to change everything over, years ago, I did not have to state what gender I was. I just changed my name. They gave a new card and no where on the card does it say male or female. So, I guess I'm out in lala land again, cause I can not find anything with a gender marker  on it in the Social Security department. If you do, would let me know where to look. As I have been down to the office several times for a mistake in my name. I also told them my gender and they just look at me like Well, so, are you complaining or bragging?
Sheila

True, your gender is not shown on your Social Security card, but they have it on their records.  If you want to be sure which gender they have in their system, go to one of their offices and tell them to give you a NUMIDENT REPORT; that report contains your gender, POB, name of parents, etc.  This is not a big issue now, but it could cause you problems when you claim social security benefits at a later time.

tink

[ssindysmith]

OK so it looks like Hawaii, where I was born is very pro transsexual,

http://www.hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html

For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has undergone a sex change operation:

    * An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of an affidavit of a physician that the physician has examined the individual and determined that the individual has had a sex change operation and the sex designation on the individual's birth certificate is no longer correct, subject to further investigation and submission of additional information if deemed necessary, and payment of fees.

So all I would need is the doctor to agree with me 

[nikki_brown]

I wonder where you all get your information from. Social Security is a federal office, so it should be the same in all 50 states. I just received my yearly form from Social Security and I also went down to change my name and gender. On my yearly statement it has no mention of gender on it anywhere and neither does my wifes. When I went down to change everything over, years ago, I did not have to state what gender I was. I just changed my name. They gave a new card and no where on the card does it say male or female. So, I guess I'm out in lala land again, cause I can not find anything with a gender marker  on it in the Social Security department. If you do, would let me know where to look. As I have been down to the office several times for a mistake in my name. I also told them my gender and they just look at me like Well, so, are you complaining or bragging?
Sheila

After my orchiectomy, I submitted the surgeon's letter to my local Social Security office. After they sent me a new SS card, I went there again to check all my info and to make sure the gender marker said "F". I just asked them to read my info off their computer screen to make sure everything matched.
Post Merge: June 29, 2010, 11:33:54 PM

a penectomy has the [same legal validity] as an orchiectomy; legally it does not entitle any mtf ts post-op status because technically it can't be called gender reassignment surgery.

This made absolutely no sense.
Post Merge: June 30, 2010, 12:37:54 AM

Prior to 2004 or 2005, many transsexuals were able to change their social security records, but nowadays the Social Security Administration requires proof of Sex Reassignment Surgery.  No, neither a penectomy nor an orchiectomy is considered male to female sex reassignment.   Post-op constitutes that the MTF patient has undergone Male to Female Vaginoplasty, meaning that there has to be a vaginal cavity present along with labia (majora and minora), a repositioned urethra, and a clitoris.

tink

This is misleading. I have read the actual SS policy on gender marker change. It only says "irreversible genital surgery". I had my orchiectomy in 2008, and the local SS office here in Idaho had no problem changing the gender marker on my record.
Post Merge: June 30, 2010, 01:50:35 AM

There is a doctor in my stat who can and will perform a genital nullification with a pair of letters from psychiatrists. Believe it or not, my insurance would even cover it. o.O

I guess I see myself being more androgenous than TS, so a nullification would make more sense to me than GRS. =\

And speaking of medical reasons, I have frequent pain in my testes, yet none of the doctors I have talked to about it have cared at all. >_< I relaly should see a urologist, it gets too bad to walk at times.

Could you please message me with the name of this doctor?