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Are we ready to invade Iran?

Started by lisagurl, September 28, 2009, 03:16:43 PM

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Kaitlyn

Quote from: Virginia Marie on September 29, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
It is a mistake to help anyone who asks us for help. Time and money is better spent on our own people

I think that's been true for all or almost all of the situations the U.S. has been in, but I don't accept it categorically.
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Miniar

Quote from: Virginia Marie on September 29, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
It is a mistake to help anyone who asks us for help.

I would add "until we're done helping our own" to that actually.
Kinda like you can't take care of someone else if you can't take care of yourself sort of a thing.
Once you've taken care of yourself however, and are free of all problems, it would seem a little selfish not to lend a hand to the next person, provided that won't drag you back down ofcourse.



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MaggieB

It seems to me that the US is ill equipped to handle any international crisis partly because we are incredibly unwilling to really understand the societies involved.  We go storming in with the attitude that the whole world wants to be democratic,christian and a consumer society. We ignore the fact that unlike us, the other nations of the world have been going for centuries and actually have a culture.  It is ignorant, shameful and stupid behavior.

Maggie
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Kaitlyn

It's what we get for telling ourselves for a century that we're the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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V M

The only place I want to invade is a night club with a dance floor with a group of folks from Susan's  :eusa_clap: :eusa_dance:  :laugh:  :icon_bumdance-nerd: :icon_dance: :icon_geekdance:  :icon_booty-nerd:  :icon_pelvic_thrust2:  :icon_pelvic_thrust:  :icon_drunk:  :icon_chick:  :icon_razz:

If they have karaoke that would be even more fun  :laugh:
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Fenrir

I see no possible benefit to invading Iran. I'm sure the government wants its resources or something (yay Middle-Eastern oil supplies...) but that is no excuse for the invasion of a country. At any rate, our military supplies are already stretched covering the stupid mess we made of Afghanistan and Iraq without a proper recovery plan.
I don't agree necessarily with the 'do not invade anywhere' thing... while I think that great caution and deliberation should be exercised when deciding whether to invade anywhere, there are some places that could genuinely benefit from outside help, like Zimbabwe. The main thing wrong with that country is Mugabe's government. My grandmother (and my mother, when she was a child) lived in nearby Botswana before Mugabe came to power, and apparently Zimbabwe was a lovely place that was doing well for itself (ie. best economy, education system etc. in Africa). Now its residents are suffering and dying, inflation in 2007 was at 8000%, 80% unemployment... violent opression of the advocates of opposing political parties... There's only so much food aid can do. In their case, it is the infrastructure that needs fixing so they can provide food for themselves! :(
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Dana Lane

I have a feeling we are going to be bombing tactical sites in Iran. That will likely start a war. I read somewhere that a contract for deep penetration type weapons has been fast tracked.
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DarkLady

#27
I am not sure. In case McCain would be a president it would be likely. War in Iran would absolutely need reinstitution of the draft for your country and the president and democrats in congress are are at least skeptical.
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lisagurl

QuoteI see no possible benefit to invading Iran

You are correct. In fact many of the people in Iran want our type of lifestyle. It is the iron fisted leadership that is a problem. The best thing we can do is let that country work out its own problems without our interference. They are the key to peace in the region.
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Catherine

I dont think the Americans will invade Iran. They may bomb it or the nuclear installations.


But more likely is that Israelis will do the job. They have most to loose if the Iranians get Nuclear weapons. Actually it should be when they get weapons.

Do I think the Iranians will use these weapons. No, but I do think they will supply nuclear waste to the terrorists at some point giving them access to dirty bombs.
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Robin.

Quote from: lisagurl on September 28, 2009, 03:16:43 PM
The chess pieces are moving in the direction to have another war. Troops moving to Afghanistan, high unemployment, oil needed, friends with Russia, trained both side Iraq and Afghan army's, the nuke threat, Israel, etc. Not to mention much activity at the base near me.

The georgian conflict with the russians is interesting considering the closeness to Iran. I wouldn't think the russians would aid us in such an invasion, so there could be some intention of at least trafficing weaponry...IDK

But Anyways, I sorta doubt that we are going to invade Iran, it is more likely that we will manipulate them which america is quite capable of i would think. Ultimatly we will likely be more inclined to aid them with the intention of preventing the distribution of nuclear weaponry and what not...
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justmeinoz

I think we may have missed something in the first post with a reference to "Green".  In Islamic countries like Iran, the colour green has a direct connection to religion.   
There are almost certainly internal Iranian agendas being followed which are not getting any exposure in our media.   
As for Iran's armed forces, if it comes to a conventional conflict they would be hopelessly outclassed in the same way that Iraq was.
Against Iraq they refought WW1 with modern weapons.

Perhaps we sould be more worried that Ahmedinijad will seek to distract his people from the failings of his regime by a foreign adventure.
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gennee

I knew this would happen all along. War is profitable so no one is going to cut off that source of income.

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lisagurl

Osama bin Laden sons are being protected in Iran and some think he might be there also.  Just another coffin nail.
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jesse

god i hope they dont but if its to be it will be.. i will of course vote against anyone who supports this war if it comes to pass. i just dont think our troops need to be involved in anymore foreign conflicts at this point in time if iran somehow becomes a credible threat to the U.S then maybe and by credible i mean legitamately credible as in the will, the means, and the technology necessary to carry out the attack then maybe. other wise do we really need to kill anymore people. in war inocense dies both the young and the young at heart. Nothing speaks louder to the cruelty of the world then bombs and gunfire. i am former military i have seen the abstract shocked look of horror on a childs face confronted with this cruelty
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MaggieB

We won't invade unless and until the economy tanks. That is to say that the recovery fails and Americans begin to react. Civil unrest and the like. Historically, this is when leaders magically trump up wars to distract the population and stay in power. Look for martial law at the same time.

Maggie
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jesse

this is what war means to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8jw-ifqwkM#noexternalembed

Post Merge: December 25, 2009, 07:40:37 AM

look carefully you might see a young me in one of these clips war kills hopes and dreams as well as people
jessica
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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lisagurl

Quotewar kills hopes and dreams as well as people
jessica

War also cleans house and rejuvenates. It can and does create hope in some.

But in a reality of logic perhaps Iran will self destruct as the strife in house will defeat itself. I think the bomb talk is just to scare their foes just as Saddam used it.
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tekla

Yeah, except we knew that Saddam didn't have it (because just about everything he did have was sold to him by the West) and we know that Iran is more than capable of it. 

Though I don't think that anyone in power right now is thinking one big huge war against a real military force, in an area that could really reek worldwide economic havoc, is in our best interests.
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justmeinoz

Actually Tekla that is a bit of an urban myth. The Iraqi forces equipment was almost all USSR. Our SAS found a large number of Migs hidden in the deserts in western Iraq for instance.
The only assistance that the US, as distinct from France etc, gave to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war was a limited amount of Intelligence such as satellite photo's. 
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