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Gender Divide in interests (and restrictions)

Started by Kendall, October 01, 2006, 04:42:24 AM

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Kendall

Putting out magazines yesterday, and watching who goes where the last few weeks and months, I was thinking about how even at my store there is a great divide between genders. There are occasional exceptions (which I applaud, and I am one that shops in both). I wish that there was more magazines for mixed gender interests, like I posted in a prior topic (so I didnt have to buy multiple magazines as much). I do see some men and women going over to the other section. The men that go into the womens normally do it early in the morning or late when there are less people, and sort of run away or hide if they see me coming. I rarely see men shop in women's section with confidence. Of the women that go to the mens section,  those that do dont run or hide. Occasionally will get one going through the register and they almost always tell me, for some reason, that they are getting it for their boyfriend. The guys that buy womens magazines almost never mention anything. Only rarely.

Of our adult magazines quantity, we only sell around 8 (that we sell out of, to both men and women) of Playgirl (magazine showing naked men). On a very sharp contrast we sell probably 150 to 200  with naked women in every month. [Shows the amount of how much the female naked body is desired over the male naked body]

Based on what I see Men like women, sports, cars, guns, exercise, computers/electronics, and hobbies (card collecting, model, trains, toy collecting, comics, boating, fishing/hunting, golf)

While women like gossip, fashion, cooking, home, hair, wedding (if not yet married), and crafts (sewing, quilting, scrapbooks, stamping, beading) , doll collecting

In my store the male and female magazines are at opposite sides of the store.
On the womens side we have our home, fashion, wedding, crafts, cooking, childcare, womens health, healthcare, hairstyles, children's stuff.

The male side has guns, cars, electronics, marijuana, swimsuit/women possing for men mags, science, computers, gaming, hunting/fishing, boating, golf, train/remote control hobby, sports, military history, sports card collection (beckets).

I would say the stuff in that dont fit into either are the running, biking, entertainment, politics, literature, art, music, pets, travel, tattoos, religion. These are the main areas where I see both mix.


This makes me really upset and mad
I see a sharp contrast in what I am allowed to show at my store. I can show any women in swimsuits and showing their body on the front row in the women's section (health, fitness, fashion, and gossip), but I am not allowed to show it in the men's section (even though they are the top selling magazines in the store). Past complaints from women, have lead to us having to put those magazines  in the second and third rows (evidently some women dont want men looking at them). I have never had a complaint about the swimsuit scantly clad women in the women's section in contrast, or any complaint about the scantly clad men in either section. I could take the same magazine (lets say TV guide just to be nuetral) and place it in the front row of the women's section (of a women in a bikini, but cant put it in the front row of the men's section. On the womens side there are no restrictions. For a little while I did put them on the front, and we sold out almost every month, of all the magazines. Unfortunately since the complaint men's magazines  have gone down greatly, and less men go to the section which now only shows men on the front row. But men seem to not complain when we have to treat them with this contridiction, and limit what they have, treating them with less respect in my opinion, of their tastes, even though they are the top ones being bought in the store. Men's magazines are more expensive then women's (women pay 2.99 or 3.99, 4.99 tops) magazines (about twice as expensive), even though we sell more men's magazines then women's (probably twice as much also) (men pay 6.99, 7.99, up to 12.99).

I cant show the gay or lesbian magazines on the front of the rows.

The top selling women's magazines are #1 Gossip magazines (US weekly and People being number one), In Touch, Star, OK . Paula Deans's cooking magazine and the regional cooking/house magazines are top of the regional ones that women buy which are basically region cooking/travel/home/literature/food/health magazines like others have around the country: mississipi, southern lady, southern accents, southern living, taste of the south.

Top selling women's fashion are Cosmopolitan probably number one, Instyle, Elle Vogue, Allure, somtimes Glamour, Lucky, (for teen Seventeen, Teen People, Teen Vogue).

Top selling women's health are Self, Shape, and Weight Watchers

My top 20 magazines are almost all men's magazines. Top selling men's in our store is Playboy, Penthouse (always sells out), various swimsuits/women possing (FHM, Stuff, Maxim, American Curves, Black Men's, Hooters, King) , Men's journal, Men's Health, Muscle and Fitness, Soldier of Fortune, Shotgun News, Field and Stream, Popular science, Popular Mechanics, A few different car magazines (consumer car price guides, car trader magazines, hot rod mags, motorcycle, muscle cars), A few different computer and video game magazines (xbox, PS, PC), And whatever sport is popular at the moment (football and basketball right now) (sometimes golf and tennis sell good). Fashion with men is very low mainly GQ or is mixed in with the swimsuit/naked magazines. Wrestling, martial arts , and grappling/ultimate fighting is popular atm.

Anyway, this is just one observation from someone that gets a chance to watch people browsing their interests.

Ken/Kendra



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nathan

Pardon me, but this line made me go: ???

Quote from: Kendra on October 01, 2006, 04:42:24 AM
[Shows the amount of how much the female naked body is desired over the male naked body]

Just because women (and gay men, i'm sure) aren't buying as many skin rags as straight men, you conclude that the male form is less desirable? Que pasa? I'll be the first to admit that unless we're in top shape, men tend to look a little strange without clothing ;)...but that doesnt rule out desire and the way that women express it.

Back on topic here, it's unfortunate that you have to keep the "gender specific" magazines separate. This is just the age old tradition of marketing. Guns and boobs? Over there! Weddings and fashion? Over there! Pink vs. blue! Barbie vs. G.I. Joe! Ugh...
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Nero

Well, I like Playboy and a variety of military history /history mags, and Writers digest.
I prefer Playboy to some of the more graphic magazines because the pics are beautifully and tastefully done.
I dont need to see everything. I have no taste for those magazines that depict women in crude positions.
I also admit to occasionally reading home decor/cooking magazines such as Better Homes and Gardens.
I don't know why, because I don't even do so much as clean house, yet I find them interesting.
Go figure. ::)
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Kendall

#3
I just find the 8 that we sell very very large difference, and its a pretty universal differnce compared to 150 to 200. And I would say of the 8, 6 of them are bought by men, college age (this is a college town). I think only 2 are bought by women. And those 2 are ages 45+. They are older. Every once in a while a college age girl will by one 'for a gag gift'.

Where do all the women go? One place mainly. The Romance novel isle. Romance novels I think are the women's version. And though we hide the men's version (adult and swimsuit mags), Romance gets two full isles up behind fiction.

Closest things men has that is like romance novels is Penthouse Letters magazine and books. We dont sell to many of those though, compared to the romance novels.

It tempts me to mix it up someday, throw a handfull of men's mags with the romance novels. I bet it wouldn't last one day like that.
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seldom

Magazines are bit weird.  I mostly prefer news and political magazines. Utne is probably my favorite.  I am also a fan of music magazines like Magnet. 

But as far as other magazines I really like Bust, I used to like Jane alot too(I still do to a certian extent), but they have been going to far away from thier feminist roots that made the magazine so appealing in the first place.  Bust may just very well be the best magazine on news stands as it stands, to bad most men will never read it because it is considered a womens magazine.  I still read Ms. Magazine as well, though for a period there I could do without reading it, but right now it is back in all of its feminist glory.  I try to read Bitch on occasion as well, but I cannot always find it. 

As far as content goes, there are womens magazines that can be significantly better then mens magazines (which can be utter crap).  While magazines like Bust put out articles that rival Utne, I cannot say the same for Maxim (which is not worth the paper its printed on).  I am not saying womens magazines do not go for the lowest common denominator, but at least there is options there for quality reading.  Mens magazines on the other hand are almost always the lowest common denominator. 
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Joseph

Quote from: Kendra on October 01, 2006, 04:42:24 AM
Of our adult magazines quantity, we only sell around 8 (that we sell out of, to both men and women) of Playgirl (magazine showing naked men). On a very sharp contrast we sell probably 150 to 200  with naked women in every month. [Shows the amount of how much the female naked body is desired over the male naked body]

Really interesting. Not surprising to me though, I've read men are turned on visually while women seem to be turned on through romance/emotion/touch.  This helps confirm those theories/observations.  I guess it's not that women don't desire men (naked or whatnot) it's just that they're not as visually stimulated as guys are.  Honestly a little hard for me to understand; but yeah there can be huge differences between the sexes and I find it fascinating how different "regular" women are from me, even though I share the same bodily form.

Joseph
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Claire

I agree with Seldom that magazines a tad odd. I've read both mens' and womens' magazines (it was funny watching my dentist's assistant do a double-take as I bypass the Sports Illustrated for the Chatelaine at the last visit :) ). I may get into some trouble for this, but IMHO, both types of magazines are shallow, with little meat to their content; I'll read them to blend in but not out of any personal interest. I can't say that I can justify regularly shelling out hard-earned dough for either, but that's just me.

Kendra, in your store, you're going to see me picking up some cooking mags (Cook's Illustrated is great) in the womens' section and then crossing the Divide over to get some science mags from the mens' side.

I'm not too sure about the "men being turned on visually while women aren't so much" bit - I have quite a few female friends who aren't shy at all about ogling men, occasionally quite vocally too! Maybe a cultural inhibition on the part of women that's going away as women are more liberated perhaps?

Claire
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nonie

I think the problem with naked man magazines is the way they are shot.  I dunno if it's men shooting those pics, but they're not sexy at all, they usually look kind of awkward and clumsy and most definitely faked emotion...  I know I dientify as a gay male so my opnion may be a little skewed, but when I thought of myself as a straight female, I still thought the same thing.  The pics of naked men are always these huge guy who look like they've been covered head to toe in an inch of foundation.  And they tend to be wearing utterly rdiculous clothing if they're wearing any.  Like a cowboy hat on their package.

I'm about half and half between visuals and written words for getting turned on, but I much prefer more realistic depictions of men, like "amateur" stuff, not the crap they sell in Playgirl.  There are some incredibly sexy fashion ads too.  A guy can be fully clothed and be more sexy than a naked bodybuilder porn guy.  And these sexy clothed men are sprkinled throughout the girl magazines anyway, so why buy something embarrassing when the content is already in the "normal" mags?

Guys in naked photos just don't look genuine.  Ever.  Fashion models are better at looking tousled and turned-on than nude models are.  Men are supposedly not as good at reading faces, so even though I think naked women look just as ingenuine as naked men, men can't tell that the girl's faking it anyway :P
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nathan

Quote from: Mikko on October 06, 2006, 01:14:00 PMMen are supposedly not as good at reading faces, so even though I think naked women look just as ingenuine as naked men, men can't tell that the girl's faking it anyway :P

Not entirely true. I've *ahem* seen a few where the people involved show a tremendous warmth. It could just be really good acting, but (as a director myself) it brings across genuine emotion not likely seen in that business.
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nonie

Quote from: nathan on October 06, 2006, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mikko on October 06, 2006, 01:14:00 PMMen are supposedly not as good at reading faces, so even though I think naked women look just as ingenuine as naked men, men can't tell that the girl's faking it anyway :P

Not entirely true. I've *ahem* seen a few where the people involved show a tremendous warmth. It could just be really good acting, but (as a director myself) it brings across genuine emotion not likely seen in that business.

"Not likely" being the operative words there :P  I'm generalizing, I know.  I myself have not seen a *whole* lot of any kind of porn, just bits and pieces of this and that, so my statement is theoretical, not empirical.  I just have a systematizing mind.
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Kendall

FYI I didnt even sell the 8 Playgirls I get this month. Only 5 of them sold, when I replaced them with 8 of the newest issue.

Now as for Romance books, we sell  probably over 300 a week.
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