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Who the **** does she think she is?

Started by Ryuu, October 04, 2009, 12:22:05 AM

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Ryuu

So I was IMing with one of my friends just now. We started talking about me being trans, and she started saying stuff like "You aren't going to look like a boy anyway, unless you spend a ->-bleeped-<-load of money. So you might as well not try, because you'll just look like an ugly girl." She then went off on this rant about how in order to transition I'll have to spend too much money, how they won't diagnose me anyway because I don't want to have surgery, (wtf?) how "it might seem glamorous now, but in 3 years this won't be what you want at all. Believe me I went through the same phase when i was your age."
I didn't know what to say, I was so mad at her. All I said was, "don't try to tell me who I am" and logged off. I just don't know how she thinks she knows everything about me. Glamorous? Hardly. I would give anything to be comfortable with being a girl. But I know I can't. Just because you went through a "phase" doesn't give you the right to tell anyone that they can't be themselves. Just because you found yourself somewhere else doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
I'm seeing her on Tuesday. I really want to say something to her but I don't know what....sheesh...
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thestory

I'm really sorry, man. I don't have any good advice for this but perhaps someone else will. I get the same thing but only from my parents. My girlfriend had said similar things but not to that extent. She didn't insult how I would look or anything but was worried that I didn't really want it and that it was a phase.
And for the record you would be just as good looking guy as you would be a girl. Probably an even better looking guy.
Just try not to let it get to you. They are likely just trying to help. Most people don't understand what we are experiencing.
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Arch

Some of the meetings I go to have a very useful policy. We are asked to speak from our own experience and not generalize or try to impose our experiences on other people.

People I consider to be good friends do the same.

I had an acquaintance (not a friend) who was really getting pushy with me about ways I could--and should--masculinize without T or surgery. I had had enough and was on the verge of cutting off all communication. But first I made it quite clear that this person didn't know what I needed--only I knew what I needed. And I needed to transition medically. That firmness did the trick.

Of course, we are both of <ahem> mature years. That probably makes a difference.

But seriously, this friend of yours really has no business assuming that she knows what is going on inside your head. In my book, her behavior is bloody presumptuous. If she has any respect for you at all, she will realize her mistake and back down once you make it clear that she has crossed the line. Maybe she'll even learn something. Or maybe not. Some don't.

And don't feel that you are obligated to explain your reasons to her. It doesn't work for everyone, but I never felt the need to try to justify my actions to other people. It's my life, my decision. Not theirs.

Oh, and let me just say that your avatar pic is very attractive (I'm trying not to be too creepy here, since I'm old enough to be your father), and I'll bet you'll be one helluva good-looking guy post-transition.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Ryuu

Well, it doesn't look like she's giving up. I logged into myspace this morning and her status said something along the lines of "well if you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, I can't help you". >.<
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Arch

Quote from: Aaron22 on October 04, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
Well, it doesn't look like she's giving up. I logged into myspace this morning and her status said something along the lines of "well if you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, I can't help you". >.<
Ooookay. You could give her a little time to self-reflect and stop being such a prat, but I doubt that it will do any good. It might be time for you to make some decisions. Does she know a darned thing about transsexualism? Can you educate her? Is it worth it? Or is she destined to be one of the casualties of your coming-out/transition? Virtually all of us lose someone in some way or another. In fact, I think there's a thread somewhere around here titled "Who did you lose?"

I'm sorry she's being so obtuse.

And what help is she referring to? The kind of help that a friend can only give you after you "admit that you have a problem"? If that's the case, then you do not need her help and she is very pompous to suppose that you do.

I know my post sounds harsh, but her kind of response tends to piss me off very easily. I think you said it all in your subject line.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Ryuu

AGH i'm so mad at her right now...I tried to talk to her...I tried to be nice...
I just went on MS again and read one of those survey things that she filled out... questions like this:
"What's the last mistake you made?
tryna fix my ->-bleeped-<-ed up friends that only make life hard for themselves with no one else to blame"
"Is there any drama within your life?
no only the drama of friends that seriously need to think about their actions"
"Anything bothering you?
irresponsable and retarded friends lol but they're not my prob"

yeah she may be one of the casualties...i already had one...my bf broke up with me when he found out...he said it was for other reasons but i'm a little suspicious.
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tekla

If your friends can't tell you what they think is the truth, then you have no friends.  Only 'yes' people.  Worthless in the end.  A friend tells you the truth that you, or them, or both may not like.

It may not be 'true' - but if they are a friend, it's always worth thinking about.

PS - if they are real friends, you talk to them in person, not on IM, or Email, or any of that crap.  If you can't do it face to face, then why bother?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Miniar

Friends can disagree without needing to stop being friends, but there's "disagreeing" and then theres "just plain insulting".

Personally I'd call her on it. I'd simply state, as calmly as possible, that while she had her personal experience, it may not apply to "everyone else", And that if she wants to keep being friends, then she doesn't have to change her opinion, just keep it to herself.
(And I would offer to not discuss transition stuff with her to boot.)

And if she can't mind her own business in this aspect, I'd tell her "Sorry, but I can't be friends with people who try to control my identity."



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Jay

Quote from: Aaron22 on October 04, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
AGH i'm so mad at her right now...I tried to talk to her...I tried to be nice...
I just went on MS again and read one of those survey things that she filled out... questions like this:
"What's the last mistake you made?
tryna fix my ->-bleeped-<-ed up friends that only make life hard for themselves with no one else to blame"
"Is there any drama within your life?
no only the drama of friends that seriously need to think about their actions"
"Anything bothering you?
irresponsable and retarded friends lol but they're not my prob"

yeah she may be one of the casualties...i already had one...my bf broke up with me when he found out...he said it was for other reasons but i'm a little suspicious.

I honestly would not consider her a "friend" as you put it anymore. After this I am afraid. She would be gone. Friends help each other with there problems.. she just seems VERY immature, and you have every right to feel angry! I would.

My only advice is - Don't talk to her anymore.. there are plenty of good people out there...

Jay


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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: Jay on October 05, 2009, 05:39:40 AM
I honestly would not consider her a "friend" as you put it anymore. After this I am afraid. She would be gone. Friends help each other with there problems.. she just seems VERY immature, and you have every right to feel angry! I would.

My only advice is - Don't talk to her anymore.. there are plenty of good people out there...

Jay

I agree with Jay.  Life is too short.
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Cindy

Hi Aaron,
I agree with what Arch, in particular, has said, again I'm in the mature spectra, and maybe that gives a harsher view point, after all we may have been there already. A friend is someone who can disagree with you but supports you none the less. Unless someone has been through this particular type of happening they really have no idea what it's like. It's not being Gay it's not being Bi, it's not about sex. And unless people understand that then they are ignorant of your situation.

I also agree with Tekla about something that is insidious and dangerous. I know I'm of a different generation, but communication has to be open. Sure communicating with friends over facebook etc etc is a laugh and great if you can't meet the friend you are talking to, but I think there are horrible implications for having conversations over the net and then face to face, when you and them are saying different things, even though they know you have read their other material. (Sorry if that sounds too dyslexic?). That is not open and helpful communication; its a new way of people communicating to each other that when deep personal ideas are opened may not be useful. Sorry if that sounded like a post from Granny Smith.

The end point has been stated before by Arch and others. Transitioning in any way is a very personal thing; no matter what age you are. Every step can be frightening, and only you can make decisions. Stupid people with self opinionated comments don't help.

BTW looking at you avatar, you don't look any different to a number of the young guys I teach at Uni, a bit better looking but that's no problem, I think you look a bit like a young Tom Cruise, I don't mean that as an insult BTW :laugh:

Take Care and good luck

(Aunty) Cindy
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Alex_C

Oh tell her to buy a clue. You're a handsome young dude and will only get more handsome, don't let her get you down. She'll come around when she sees she can't sway you, or not, and in either case, who cares? You're gonna do what you're gonna do.
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Arch

Quote from: tekla on October 04, 2009, 05:29:42 PM
If your friends can't tell you what they think is the truth, then you have no friends.  Only 'yes' people.  Worthless in the end.  A friend tells you the truth that you, or them, or both may not like.

It may not be 'true' - but if they are a friend, it's always worth thinking about.

Yeah, if you can't be honest with your friends, what kind of friendship do you have? But I see a clear difference between frank, well-informed people and folks who don't even bother to learn about whatever they're being "honest" about. Sounds to me like this "friend" has already built her opinion on the flimsiest of foundations.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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