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Started by Dawn D., October 12, 2009, 01:34:21 PM

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Dawn D.

Ok, this is getting a little annoying. Twice now, I've noticed people taking pictures of me. These are total strangers! I've never said anything to these people about it. And, not that the thought didn't cross my mind to do so; I just didn't want give them the feeling of satisfaction in knowing that they just "outed a ->-bleeped-<-" for their amusement or all of their friends and others in the vicinity to have a good time over. In both instances, I simply carried on in the normal course of what ever I was doing.

The first time was in my own store that I own and operate.

The fellow was in with a group of his associates. They were canvassing the town setting up in home security systems for ADT. Anyway they were on a lunch break and they happened to come into my shop just to look around. I greet them as I would any other patron, and answer their questions politely and professionally. They really weren't there to buy anything, they were only killing time. As I was talking to one of the guy's, I noticed out of the corner of my eye another one was moving around to my right side and all of a sudden, out pops his cell phone then about five seconds later I heard the unmistakable click of the camera in it!

I didn't say anything, but the look I gave him about what he had just done sent a strong enough signal to him that he wasn't about to try that again and put his phone away and headed for the door.

The second episode happened this weekend at a Kohl's grand opening in town. Like every other woman in town I was determined to get there and get in on some pretty good deals for a pair of ankle boots with mid height heels. As I was looking for a pair that I liked, I just happened to peer over the top of a rack of shoes an noticed a particular teenage girl separating from a 'pack' of about ten others. She is looking directly at me and has her cell phone out. When we make eye contact, she immediately dropped her cell phone to her side, then began just milling around the area. I thought to myself "well, she's just not brave enough to follow through with it". Wrong! As I was seated on a bench to try on a pair of boots, I looked to my left just in time to see this little bitch round the corner of the rack and "click" went the camera! Then like a scared rabbit she made a rather hasty retreat.

"Unbelievable", I thought to myself. The next thought was "And how freakin' rude!" I just shook my head and continued on as if nothing was any different.

The really sad part was, the pair of boots I found were mismatched in size inside the box and they didn't have another pair in stock to correct the situation, boo hoo!

Anyway, I don't get a lot of attention when I am about town or even sitting in a restaurant for a good period of time. I don't think I 'pass' all that convincingly, yet well enough for the most part. I cannot though, ever recall having been "outed" in a public area before. Yet it may have happened and I just never heard it or caught it. But, WTF with these idiots taking pictures? Does it bother any others here that may have had the same thing happen to them? To me it's the most rude thing I have ever had happen in public. I mean seriously, I think it is probably similar to how one would feel if in a public restroom and all of a sudden you have camera stuffed under the stall and snap goes the picture! It's disgusting! However, if that is the worst that happens in my life, I guess it's not all that bad. Still, it's freakin' rude!
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Nero

wow. that's messed up. can't believe these people.  :icon_no: well, they're pretty sad if they've nothing better to do than to try to catch a suspected Tg in action.
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Virginia87106

Yes, it is rude but I am so used to it that I will give them my best smile.
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heatherrose




This has happened to me a couple times, both times the "photographers"
were young females. I knew I was being read but what left me scratching my
head was both times I was in a (straight) club as I held the guys off at arms
length. One time was while I was with one of my sisters from Susan's. I was
worried that they were going to start some kind of trouble. Other than me feeling
a bit uncomfortable, nothing happened. Hopefully the pics remain on the little
dorks phones or on their social networking pages and not on a site bent on
outting "->-bleeped-<-'s", what other recourse do we have other than hope?


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Janet_Girl

I have had my pictures taken before and probable candidly.  But I have never catch anyone at it.  And it is very rude especially without your permission.  And why because they think that it is funny?

But that is what celebrities have had to put up with.

The Paparazzi!



Janet
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Dawn D.

Ohh now, thanks Janet! That really made my day!

I always tell this gay friend of mine jokingly, "You may be gay, but, I'm exotic!" I never thought I'd need to include "celebrity" in that, lol. I just wish they would give me enough time to adjust my hair!

Dawn
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glendagladwitch

If you put your neighbor's face up on a billboard with the word "adulterer," it is invasion of privacy, even if it is true, unless that person is a public figure.  Keep that in mind.  You have a right to privacy.   You can sue if people invade it.  They might be able to take your picture.  But putting it up on a website might be tortious and actionable.
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Deanna_Renee

As Glenda pointed out, taking and using your picture or likeness without your permission is illegal in the US. I believe it is a Federal offense (not positive). Even if these would-be-paparazzi post them on their social networking pages, they are subjecting themselves to criminal actions. Find them and sue their pants off, along with their cute boots, shoes, tops, bags, jewelry... sorry, getting carried away with the thought of free wardrobe. :)

Deanna
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Cindy

I know laws change between countries but I think it is illegal to take your photo without permission in most. The paparazzi get away with it by saying it's a public figure who wants publicity. You may not wish to do this, but you can demand to see a picture someone has taken and demand it is deleted or you will sue. I'm no lawyer, maybe Dennis can comment, but your image is your property. Invasion of it or duplication is illegal. At best in your shop photo them in return and report them as possible thieves. As for youngsters probably too much hassle without being able to contact the parents. But again I would walk up to the person and take their photo. If they asked why I would say I have a facebook page for the utterly stupid and they will be featured. Nothing better than humiliation to pay these idiots back.

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barbie

There are always photographers who take photos for me when I run for marathon here. My photo was once selected a magazine for marathon, and the title was like 'new fashion?'. My colleagues first saw that magazine and gave it to me.

Yes. Phone cameras + Interent has evoked a lot of discussion here in my country, and the most conterversial one so far was:

http://www.famouspictures.org/index.php?title=Dog_Poop_Girl

Even the Washiongton Post reported it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005070601953.html

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Miniar

I would say something. Calmly and to the point.
Like. "Excuse me, I would have allowed a photo if you'd have asked, but simply snapping a shot off a stranger on the streets without permission is terribly rude. Next time, Ask!"



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glendagladwitch

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on October 12, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
As Glenda pointed out, taking and using your picture or likeness without your permission is illegal in the US. I believe it is a Federal offense (not positive). Even if these would-be-paparazzi post them on their social networking pages, they are subjecting themselves to criminal actions. Find them and sue their pants off, along with their cute boots, shoes, tops, bags, jewelry... sorry, getting carried away with the thought of free wardrobe. :)

Deanna

Depends on what you mean by "using" it.  Last I heard (in lawschool) you can take a picture in a public place and you own it.  People can't demand you delete it or whatever.  You can't trespass and take a picture, and you can't use a zoom lens to take a photo that you could not have taken without the lens while being located in a legal spot. 

However, unless the subject of the photo is a public figure, you can't publish it without their permission.  If you take a picture of someone committing an illegal act, you can probably get away with publishing that.  The public's interest in that case outweighs the individual's right to privacy, and the individual might become a public figure by virtue of notoriety gained in connection with doing the act.

Just to be clear, I am not your lawyer.  This is not legal advice.
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sneakersjay

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on October 12, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
As Glenda pointed out, taking and using your picture or likeness without your permission is illegal in the US. I believe it is a Federal offense (not positive).
Deanna

But then there are sites like http://peopleofwalmart.com where they don't even blank out the faces, and they're not shut down.  There is also a LGBT hate site where they took pics of a pride parade and posted pics of LGBT people.  Those whose pics got used were told by authorities that 'they took pictures of you in a public place'.  And the paparrazzi gets paid for their pics of celebs; most sites nobody is receiving payment for pics.

Not sure where the line is drawn.

Jay


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Lachlann

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 13, 2009, 08:06:02 PM
Depends on what you mean by "using" it.  Last I heard (in lawschool) you can take a picture in a public place and you own it.  People can't demand you delete it or whatever.  You can't trespass and take a picture, and you can't use a zoom lens to take a photo that you could not have taken without the lens while being located in a legal spot. 

However, unless the subject of the photo is a public figure, you can't publish it without their permission.  If you take a picture of someone committing an illegal act, you can probably get away with publishing that.  The public's interest in that case outweighs the individual's right to privacy, and the individual might become a public figure by virtue of notoriety gained in connection with doing the act.

Just to be clear, I am not your lawyer.  This is not legal advice.

Nope, you're right. It's only illegal if they publish it without consent. Personal use is not illegal at all.
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rogue

I fully agree that people deliberatly taking photos of individuals be they TV/CD or TS in order to syndicate the images to ther sad little friends is grotesque and disgusting.

However can I point out one(or two) things, Photography is art, not a crimianl act, and not perversion. Photography has recorded the beauty of the human condition for years. Henri Cartier Bresson took archetypeal candid images of people in the street engaged in their own business, and captured unique, atmosphereic, iconic portraits, Frank Capa brought his individal view of candid portaiture through two wars, and these images are now part of our history and acknowledgemnt of our own fragility. Across the globe each day talanted, visioonary photographers seek to continue the work of these and other great photographers, these people are artisits...not deviants, and not criminals, and it is about time that the reactionary, witchunt/scapegoat culuture needs to regin in the hysterical and skewed view of photography.

Thankyou.

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Valerie Elizabeth

Actually, You can take pictures of anyone as long as they are not doing anything private, with or without their consent (even if they say no, and they have no right to stop you from shooting).

I go to a school that has a HUGE photography college, one of the top in the country (I don't do photography though).  Almost all of my friends are photo majors of some kind, and I have been on more photo shoots than I should be.

Here's the down low.


Take A Photo

    * You can't photograph people when they're out of public view and in a private area, such as in a bedroom, changing room, bathroom, doctor's office, etc. People are permitted a "reasonable expectation of privacy."

    * You can photograph people who are openly in public view, for example, on the street, on the beach, in a park.

Sell Or Publish A Photo

    * You'll need a signed model release if the use is commercial, such as FOR an advert or the cover of a product. This includes celebrities, even though they're "public" figures and even if you photographed them in a public place. (Editorial, factual, newsworthy purposes are OK).

    * The display of the photo can't be maliciously untrue, or humiliate, ridicule, or reveal embarrassing and personal facts about a non-newsworthy person.


If you're going to photograph or publish photos of people, you should be mindful of the "right to privacy." This refers to a body of common law designed to protect people and includes such delightful terms as "invasion of privacy", "right to publicity," "defamation" and "libel."

You can be sued by someone if they feel your photo damaged them financially or personally.


Basically, if the photograph does NOT include as a significant element a recognizable: person, celebrity, artwork, logo, trademark, cartoon character, professional sporting event, or view from a paid entrance, you have full reasonable use of the photo. Yes, you can use it, publish it and sell it.


I am over it being rude, because I have been out with my friends helping on shoots, taking pictures of random people.  When you first start out, you ask for permission, after about a day, you say forget it.


Post Merge: October 14, 2009, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 13, 2009, 08:06:02 PM
Depends on what you mean by "using" it.  Last I heard (in lawschool) you can take a picture in a public place and you own it.  People can't demand you delete it or whatever.  You can't trespass and take a picture, and you can't use a zoom lens to take a photo that you could not have taken without the lens while being located in a legal spot. 

However, unless the subject of the photo is a public figure, you can't publish it without their permission.  If you take a picture of someone committing an illegal act, you can probably get away with publishing that.  The public's interest in that case outweighs the individual's right to privacy, and the individual might become a public figure by virtue of notoriety gained in connection with doing the act.

Just to be clear, I am not your lawyer.  This is not legal advice.

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glendagladwitch

Quote from: sneakersjay on October 13, 2009, 08:38:56 PM
But then there are sites like http://peopleofwalmart.com where they don't even blank out the faces, and they're not shut down.  There is also a LGBT hate site where they took pics of a pride parade and posted pics of LGBT people.  Those whose pics got used were told by authorities that 'they took pictures of you in a public place'.  And the paparrazzi gets paid for their pics of celebs; most sites nobody is receiving payment for pics.

Not sure where the line is drawn.

Jay

I don't know for sure, but I think the People of Walmart site could be in hot water if the right circumstances converge.  I see they did blur out some faces.  I'm thinking that anyone whose face is showing must have given permission.

Meanwhile, taking a photo of a gay pride parade is a news worthy item.  It is one of those cases where the right of the public to know prevails, and the people gave up their right to privacy, at least for that day and time, by demonstrating in that fashion.  Celebrities basically lose their right to privacy by virtue of becoming public figures.
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Suzy

Very seriously messed up.  A friend of mine who passes beautifully was sitting in a coffee shop and guys with cell phones at a nearby table were trying to get an upskirt shot.  She just waltzed over and told them if they need a periscope, they sell them at Spencer's.  The almost ran out.

Kristi
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Cindy

Quote from: Kristi on October 15, 2009, 11:51:59 PM
Very seriously messed up.  A friend of mine who passes beautifully was sitting in a coffee shop and guys with cell phones at a nearby table were trying to get an upskirt shot.  She just waltzed over and told them if they need a periscope, they sell them at Spencer's.  The almost ran out.

Kristi

Now that is illegal. At least Downunder (sorry for the pun :laugh:). There have been a number of prosecutions. And cell phones are banned in gym changing rooms etc.



Cindy
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Alex_C

My gym (24hour fitness) has a ban on all picture and video taking.

I'm kinda a public person in Santa Cruz so I get pics taken of me all the time. Wish they had a "take a pic, leave a tip" ethic.

Before, when I was on the national team, I got pics taken of me all the time.

So, I dunno, except: If I was in the bathroom and someone stuck a camera under the edge of the stall, I'd grab it and flush it!
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