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The Metal Thread!

Started by Lachlann, November 07, 2009, 11:52:55 PM

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Jester

Industrial anybody?

KMFDM, Static-X and Turmion Katilot.
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PanoramaIsland

The "industrial"-type music I like - whatever that term means - is generally old-school experimental industrial, noise, power noise, martial industrial, neo-folk - that sort of thing. I rarely enjoy electro-industrial, futurepop, EBM, "industrial rock" or "industrial metal."
So:

C.C.C.C.
The Masonna
Merzbow
Whitehouse
Einsturzende Neubauten
Coil
Nurse With Wound
Converter
Terrorfakt
C.A.T.
Psychic TV
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Death In June
etc.
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Jester

I'm... not familiar with any of those bands.  But I intend on becoming so.  Though I don't like "noise", melody's more my thing.  I do love me some electronic sounds though.  Don't suppose you'd be willing to narrow that down to bands that love melody and comprehensible singers for me could you?
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PanoramaIsland

The term "industrial" was originally used by Industrial Records, a label established by experimental outfit Throbbing Gristle which included Nurse With Wound, Clock DVA and even William S. Burroughs. As such, the term "industrial" is originally (and best, in the opinion of utter snobs such as myself) applied to experimental, often abstract music (or more appropriately, sound) artists who push and break the definition of "music" and work with elements such as tape hiss, recordings of sounds like factory fans and freeway overpasses, disturbing or disorienting sounds, and actual noise - that is white noise, grey noise, pink noise etc. It can also include artists who take electronic dance music to its ear-splitting logical extreme - a jolting square-wave beat, often supplemented by little to nothing else (this is "power noise"), and artists who create sardonic takes on popular music using experimental electronic techniques, or work with militaristic or fascistic themes ironically (usually - NON may or may not be kidding, for example). It's as much a cultural label as anything.

Nowadays, the term "industrial" is frequently applied to dance music that may share heritage with the original industrial music, but is emphatically not of the same sound, and is not nearly as experimental or bracing as "real," original industrial bands like Nurse With Wound, Einsturzende Neubauten and Psychic TV, as harsh and cutting as power noise acts like Converter, or as abstracted and masochistic as noise outfits like Merzbow and Whitehouse. Thus, the term "industrial" is sometimes used to describe electro dance groups like Apoptygma Berzerk, VNV Nation and Assemblage 23, or even bands which blend rock or metal structures with harsh electronics, such as Nine Inch Nails, Ministry or KMFDM. To say that these groups are "industrial" is pretty laughable - it's like saying that an advertisement that uses an optical illusion borrowed from Magritte is "surrealist." Some such groups, such as KMFDM and Front 242, at least have cultural roots in actual industrial music; it may be a fair criticism that their exclusion from industrialhood by snobs like me may be a reaction to their popularity (although KMFDM is good for lighthearted enjoyment, and Front 242 is great).

You're unlikely to find conventional vocals, or much melody, in industrial music. However, the industrial music culture does incorporate some very different genres - such as neofolk - which fall under the industrial cultural banner, but adhere to much more conventional musical structures, including melody and conventional vocals, lyrics etc. Probably the best known such band is the neofolk outfit Death In June.

That was mighty long-winded and pretentious of me. Sorry about that. :D
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tekla

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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PanoramaIsland

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tekla

If only real bands were that interesting.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jester

Manowar's that interesting.  Because they are EXACTLY the same in their ludicrously high opinions of themselves.

Also, thanks bunches Panorama.  Those bands you grouped with KMFDM and NIN?  I hadn't heard of them before, and I've been looking for new industrial rock.  I won't just call it "industrial" anymore.  You've been gracious, but I remember a girl jumping down my throat because I called KMFDM industrial once.
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PanoramaIsland

Oh, I didn't mean to recommend those bands. I wouldn't push Apoptygma Berzerk to anyone. :D

Let me name a few bands you might like, though. I don't like all of these outfits myself, but none of them are dirt-horrible.

Front 242 is an early electronic dance group which had ties to the industrial movement. They're great fun, and their song Headhunter is loved, played, remixed and covered so much that even those who love it get tired of it. They coined the term "Electronic Body Music," although EBM has since become a label for music that I consider to be by and large total garbage.

Hanzel und Gretyl take the "industrial metal" sound used by groups like Ministry and KMFDM to new heights of ridiculousness, paring it down to nothing but relentless sampled guitar riffs, electronic drums, staccato samples of things like sirens, and dorky pseudo-German lyrics - most notably, "FUKKEN! ÜBER! DEATH! PARTY!" They also sound just a tad like that crappy nu-metal I listened to in middle school, at least at times. I think they're kind of stupid, but hey, at least they're having fun.

Blam Honey is a Japanese visual kei duo, blending industrial and "industrial rock" influences with an intense, sculpted melodic electronic landscape - at times ambient, at times insistently rhythmic. Genuinely good stuff.

Skinny Puppy is a flagship of the post-industrial landscape, worshiped by "gothic industrial" kids who wear New Rock boots and like to stomp as a form of dancing. I don't care for them much, but they're inarguably very, very popular, and extremely influential. Lots of "goth" people who don't listen to goth music love Skinny Puppy. Hey, who am I to argue?

SPK started as an actual industrial band, making fabulous and jarring noisy atmospherics, and then suddenly decided to join the early, industrial-influenced electronic dance movement, joining ranks with Front 242. I prefer their initial stuff, of course, but their dance material is undeniably infectious and enjoyable, and includes early examples of drumming on pipes and other makeshift items.

Babyland, speaking of drumming on pipes, had a venerable 20-year run playing "electronic junk punk." Emotional, angry, fabulously unsubtle lyrics (one of the albums is called "You Suck ->-bleeped-<-"), with influences from industrial, punk, post-punk and electronic dance music. Apart from said drumming on found and assembled metal objects, shows included showering sparks on the crowd. I went to their last show; it was a great show.

Ministry is another one of those groups, like KMFDM, which one uses to point out to normals obsessed with Rammstein that "hey, you know, they didn't really invent that sound." They started as a post-punkish new wave band, hilariously - see early song Halloween. They've been milking the chugging-guitars-with-electronics thing for so long now, it's become almost impossible for them to come out with anything original. Nonetheless, a venerable old cow of the "industrial metal" (or American coldwave, or whatever you want to call it) meme.

Ehh, I have to finish my essay for school. I hope that tides you over.

n_n
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Jester

I had completely forgotten about Ministry.  People are always telling me to listen to them, and I've heard a couple of songs. 

I think I know Apoptygma Berzerk...  I recall them existing in high school.  Not a good sign.
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tekla

I can't recommended Ministry enough, though for me this medium of music is all about being done live, so I have no feel for the records - you need to do metal with other metal people (or whatever).  But Al was out early and on top of the game for a long time.

On the other hand, a very close friend of mine is a key player in the whole SkinnyPuppy deal, and I have to say, he is one of the sickest humans I know - and I mean that in a very positive way.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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PanoramaIsland

God, I just did a massive pile of dishes (felt like it took all night) and then decided to crank up my headphones and put on some Amebix. And I'm starting to get a really new level of appreciation for them - the atmospherics... Hell, what can I say to do them justice? These guys were homeless wanderers for something like nine years if I recall correctly, making just unbearably brutal stuff - parts punk, parts metal, parts industrial and post-punk. So apocalyptic, so authentic and dark! They really can't be beat.

Turn your headphones up loud and listen to this:
- Slave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTc47Qxa5s&feature=related# - Winter
- Axeman

Earth to ashes, buildings to dust
A radioactive burning crust
The meek shall inherit all that is left
Inherit the Earth, a living death

Slave!
Slave!
Slave!
From the cradle to the grave
Slave!
Slave!
You made yourself the system's slave
Slave
Slave
Slave

Acid rain, rocks on fire!
Poison clouds, God's a liar
There's nothing left for the meek
The past is gone, the future is bleak

Slave!
Slave!
Slave!
From the cradle to the grave
Slave!
Slave!
You made yourself the system's slave
Slave
Slave
Slave

Evil systems, government control
Are to blame for our downfall
There's no umbrella against the rain
Destroy the power, break your chain!

The definition of "impossible to fake." You can fake br00tal - with some musical skill, cloning Cannibal Corpse isn't all that hard - but sheer savage terror cannot be faked.

Now I sound like a fangirl. I need to cool off. :D
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The Man of Steel

Quote from: Laura91 on January 15, 2010, 10:21:55 PM
1.Trouble
2.Candlemass
3.Cathedral
4.Saint Vitus
5.Morgion
6.My Dying Bride
7.Winter
8.Grief
9.13
10.Eyehategod

Here is a list of my top 10 favorite bands in the doom/death/sludge metal subgenres.

(In no certain order)

The best list I have seen in this thread so far! I am huge doom metal fan too!!!

Some of my favorites:

Reverend Bizarre
Spiritus Mortis
Trouble
Candlemass
Black Sabbath
Warning
Revelation
The Puritan
Solstice
Blind Guardian
Fields of the Nephilim
Electric Wizard
Death
Beherit
Burzum
Saint Vitus
Bolt Thrower
Rhapsody (of Fire)
Manowar
Lord Vicar
Testament
King Diamond
etc etc....  ;D
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Walter

*wonders why it took him so long to find this topic*

I've listened to Metallica since I was about three years old and I still listen to them. Mostly their old music, though (before and after Cliff Burton died). Anything after Load and Reload is just kind of...meh
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Hikari

Quote from: PanoramaIsland on February 18, 2010, 05:44:39 PM
Oh, I didn't mean to recommend those bands. I wouldn't push Apoptygma Berzerk to anyone. :D
:( ...But, I love Apop, and all of the other bands that would go on tour with them (i.e VNV Nation, Imperative Reaction, Beborn Beton, wolfschiem, etc). I can't listen to "Kathy's Song" and not smile!

I wouldn't want anyone to call them industrial even though some people do, more synthpop or futurepop than anything. BTW VNV Nation is my favorite band, people used to call them industrial but, I don't think anyone does these days.

As far as metal goes, I pretty much stick to the commercial stuff:
In Flames
Dimmu borgir
Cradle of Filth
My Dying Bride (their heavy stuff is kinda metal)
Spineshank
Forest of Shadows
six feet under (well, I liked Graveyard Classics)
40 below summer (more rapcore than metal I guess)

I used to listen to stuff like Deicide and Slayer, but really I just don't think the lyrics are worth too much, so I got bored with that stuff, these days I'm more interested in songs that have some meaning to me.
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PanoramaIsland

To be honest, if Assemblage 23 wasn't so annoyingly poppy musically, I would listen to it all the time. The lyrics are very heartfelt.

I'm sorry I insulted VNV and Apop, etc.  ;D I just don't like them personally, and I get very tired of seeing kids at "goth" clubs who run around in VNV Nation shirts and don't know who The Birthday Party or Sex Gang Children were. It's depressing, and counter to popular belief, I do not go to goth clubs in order to become more depressed.
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tekla

I just don't like them personally, and I get very tired of seeing kids at "goth" clubs who run around in VNV Nation shirts and don't know who The Birthday Party or Sex Gang Children were.

Try going to Grateful Dead events when most of the people there never heard Jerry play live.
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Nathan.

How did I not know there was a metal thread?  :o

Anyway bands I love/like in no particular order

Anaal Nathrakh
Agalloch
Katatonia
Nile
My Dying Bride
Carcass
The Berzerker
Napalm Death
Bathory
Burzum

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Hikari

To be fair, I think you'd be disappointed in just about 90% of people for not knowing the bands that came before what they are listening to. 

This is OT but,
Here is an example, a couple of years ago I was at a job working mostly with people around my own age, and I made a reference to Timothy Mcveigh and they just gave me a blank look, and I was like "you know, the OK city bombing" and they just gave me another blank stare, and I was like "it was kinda like a smaller 9-11" and they just said "oh, so that's why they fought the first war against Iraq".

I'm just saying don't expect too much :) it just leads to disappointment.

P.S.  if you want to verify how little the average person knows, goto your local community college and ask who the vice president is, I'd be amazed if more than 50% know his name and more than 20% knew he was from Delaware.
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PanoramaIsland

Hell, I didn't know that Biden was from Delaware. Then again, we don't hear about Biden much. He's not Cheney - he's a true background VP, all old-fashioned an' ->-bleeped-<-. Fancy that!  ;D

The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that "goth" clubs often play so little actual goth music. Electro with teeth may be fun to stomp around to, but it is not goth in the same way that Johnny Cash is not acid rock. A lot of people who like Quicksilver Messenger Service and Big Brother And The Holding company adore Cash, but that doesn't mean that a "psychedelic rock night" should be dominated by Johnny Cash songs. God damn it, when I go to a "goth club," I want to hear Siouxsie, Bahaus, Christian Death, Sex Gang Children, Corpus Delicti, Virgin Prunes - not Cruxshadows, Bella Morte, VNV Nation and Combichrist. It's just not what I'm there for.
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