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Started by phantom_heart, November 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM

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phantom_heart

This is the wrong and right place to post this. I know Adrianna can read this but it may take her a while and i really just have to get it off my chest. Proboblem with Adrianna is she never lets me just vent.

I feel very overshaddowed by her. I'm actually jelious. For one she can fit into cloths i've always dreamed of wearing. She looks supper in anything she wears. Secondly She is a freeking star online. She's got tons of friends its like people gravatate tward her. It makes me insanly jelious not only of her looks but of her popularity with people.(especially the girls) I have a hard time making friends and i dont know why.

Also with overshaddowing it seems like her life has completly taken over mine. She's stuck somehwere in limbo on what she's going to do about being TG. I wish she'd move in one direction so I can move. As i see it there are two paths she can take.

Path number 1. Do nothing but dress feme when she wants to, get a job and we can start a family.

Path 2. Start therepy and the hole process of getting SRS

Not going down any path is driving me crazy. I've accepted this hole thing and its already been 2 years since i found out and she's hasnt made a step on her own. Its all been me. Everything she's done until this point including this site was at my pushing!! I keep thinking if i push her she wont stray away again and have an online relationship as a women or a real life one for that matter. I keep thinking if i push then mabie she will take it from a certan point. She just does nothing.

If talking to her helped i wouldnt have a need to vent. I have said this to her before and i've got the same answer. "I dont know". Well i can't wait around forever. I want to know where my life is going. I could spill my gutts out to her and i have and i've cried my eyes out. Once i was finished i'd look at her to see if she was going to talk back or say anything. She never says ANYTHING. She just sits there or changes the subject or worse walks away. GOD its so frustrating. Am i supose to just wait around for my life to start up again. How in the world am i supose to be picking a direction to go in if everyhing centers around her.

I even suggested we go out seperate ways for a year..That she work on herself go to therapy and start the change and i'll move home go back to school and start puting the foundations of a better life down (better than tim hortons anyway) but that just makes her angry. UH!!

Thats my vent. Any of you TG's out there if there is some hidden message i'm not getting please help me. I'm at my end here. I just dont know what the heack i'm supose to do.
Sorry if this is all over the place but when the feelings flow you just gotta get em out.

Erica
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clhere

Starting therapy is generally a good way to get things rolling. I am surprised she has not done this already but we all have our way of going about it but 2 years is a bit long to wait  ???

Maybe you both should have that "sit down talk" and discuss these issues.

On a side note its great that you stuck by her all this time  :)
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phantom_heart

As i said I can talk until i'm blue in the face and I do...and she says nothing. And by that i dont mean she says stuff that doesn't make sence or that isnt helpful...she actually says NOTHING. Not a word. So yeah i'm at my bursting point. Also the probably with therapy is...well we are poor we cant afford it..does anyone know anywhere good in ontario
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Windrider

Some people don't like to be pushed. Inaction is a way of 'pushing back'. It's not necessarily a conscious pushing back either. I'd stop pushing, IMHO. People need to make up their own minds about stuff. Sometimes it takes a while. Sometimes the answer is not what we want to hear either.

It took Danielle 8 years. Eight. That was from the first time she considered transition. The first time Danielle decided not to transition. At the time, she felt that she could live without it. Didn't work out that way in the end. *shrug* But I never voiced an opinion one way or the other. After all, it's *her* body and life. How can *I* say what she should do?

Eight years made a difference for me too. Back then I was secretly glad I wasn't going to have a "weird" relationship. I totally didn't want to deal with it and didn't make any effort to do so. Eight years later and while things are moving slowly, I'm facing things head-on this time. Sometimes we just need time.

Transition also isn't always an "OMG! MUST DO THIS!" kind of issue. Sometimes it's a bit more vague. As an example, Dani sums up her transition as "sometimes the question is not 'can I absolutely not live as a man', but 'can I live as a woman?'"

On the flip side, all relationships are a compromise. It's not fair to leave you in limbo either. However, it also sounds like you need to repair your relationship outside of transition issues. The fact that you're not communicating is going to cause big rifts. I would strongly suggest therapy to first fix your relationship, then work on transition issues.

Transition doesn't always break marriages...sometimes it saves them.

WR
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myles

Since you asked for help from TG's I'll chime in and not with much help. All I can say is my partner was in the same place you are in. She really didn't care what I did I just needed to do something, transition or not. I was thinking about it (means stressing her out about it) for over 2 years and then went for it big time. Transitioned really quickly and was totally committed to it. For me I just needed the right person to talk to, and it would not and could not be her. She was too invested in it all. So I was on vacation in my old home town and went out with a friend and spilled it all out there. I said well I am afraid of how it wil affect the kids (we have 2), she rather nicely said BS, I was afraid it would affect my friends, another BS from her everything she had a very solid answer for and then I was like oh ok well hell what have I been waiting for. My partner has always been supportive and was when I made up my mind. The waiting and unknown time killed her, where you are right now. I do not know what the answer is but for me I just happened to hear the right thing at the right time and from the right person. Not that my SO had not said all the same things but I needed to hear it from someone else.
Myles
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
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aubrey

Maybe the financial situation has something to do with it Erica? Transition is expensive. It sounds from your description though that she's just not ready and not able to talk yet, on that note Myles made a really good point. Some people go through the decision process alot longer, I don't understand it but yeah. Two years is long enough though, you've been very patient. In the meantime  you can do some life changes yourself too, if you want to bad enough, and it seems like you might?

  :)
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phantom_heart

Yes but the biggest thing is i want to know if i'm giving up having children because its something I want. I can give it up. I just need to know that I have to. We dont have the kind of money to freeze sperm. I'm sure later on we could adopt. I'm just talking the hole pregnancy birth and raising a child is something i want. but if i knew i had to let it go for sure I know that I could. But being left to wonder weather she is going to do anything leaves that door wide open.

At the beggining of her EI insurnace starting she said. This is perfect I can transition now (or start dressing and HRT) and I can re-enter the work force as a female. I was like great!! And nothings happend on that front. So i'm lost.

Myles thanks, though i'd hope that she would talk to me at least when she's fianlly figured it all out. I figured that even this bord would give her a place to talk to figure it all out. I had been talking so much on the Pro's transitioning  that one night i finally gave her the cons (pain with surgry, no kids). Since that night she hasnt said much. That makes me angry. Not everything is lolly pops and rainbows.

keep the insite coming it really helps!
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prettydrake

Hey Erica, I don't have anything to add really except that I feel your pain.  I knew Serra was trans before we got together...and that was 3 years ago.  She started to self medicate (against my pleading to see a doctor for it) for a period of 4 months or so, and her body was changing....and then money got tight and she had to stop.  Money's been better lately and so she's started to do it again...whenever I bring up my objections/worries, she tells ME to find HER a therapist.  I love her dearly, but I don't feel comfortable doing that for her...choosing a therapist should be a very personal decision, IMO.  But she hasn't done anything other than that.  It drives me INSANE.  Plus I think she is worried because her body isn't responding to the hormones she's taking...but I digress. 

Just wanted to give you a hug and say I feel your pain!  *hug*
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Chaos_Dagger

  Two years is a long time.  However, it's been less then that, that we have been doing anything remotely about me being trans.  Sure you could say that "transformation" thing we paid for was a step, and it was kind of.  Think about it though, we made some poor choices that day that made me end up looking like a hooker.  So yes I dressed up for the first time, but you and I were holed up in the hotel room the entire time... doing nothing.  It wasn't really that much of anything, and certainly didn't do much to help me decide anything.  So putting that aside, the only time we've actually spent seriously on this is the time we've been on these boards.

  During that time, I've fully accepted the fact that I have GID whether or not a therapist has diagnosed it.  I know who, and what, I am.  I've dressed up, twice (infront of your sister no less) for my first trip out somewhere.  Yes it was pride, but I was still on 6 different trains, and we even went into a Shopper's Drugmart make-up section to ask advise about foundation.  Plus only my second time out on the town dressed as a woman, I ended up using the ladies' bathroom.  Since that point I have dressed up on more than one occassion simply for around the house, for Savannah.  I went and got my eyebrows done, which at first wasn't a good expeirence, that time hit me a bit harder then I let on.  Then I got dressed to get my eyebrows done again, not only that but my make-up as well!  We walked around the mall, and even went to my favorite place to eat.  These may seem like small steps to you, but to me they're huge.

   You keep pushing me, and that's fine.  If it weren't for you I never would have gotten even this far.  I understand it frustrates you that I'm so indecisive, but it's hard for me.  I don't mean any of this to try and downplay what your feeling, as it must be much worse then what I am.  You worry, way too much, about everything.  So I'm sure it hits you hard everyday.  To that extent I try to put on a charade of nonchalance, because somehow I think if I don't seem to worry about anything it will help you calm down.  My mind races every second of every day, and I try to sort out the jumble but it's not easy.  I don't talk to you about it for two reasons:
  1. I don't want to burden your worries with my own
  2. I have troulbe putting anything into words without first thinking it over for a long time.  I can type these things that I think, because I can take all the time in the world to do so.  When talking however, by the time I've thought of how to say something, you've already moved on.

  I'm scared, and in some ways I don't know why.  Any decision I make, effects not only me, but you as well. You say you can give up the thought of having kids, but I know you don't want to.  You've said so many times before (truthfully) that you married me because you believed me to be the "man" you wanted to spend the rest of your life with.  I know you don't mean that to put me down, or to be detrimental to who I really am inside.  Let's face it though, partnership of this kind in a base biological sense, is for reproduction.  Me being a woman kinda ruins that don't you think?  On the other hand, that doesn't effect the human love we hold for each other.  I love you with all my heart, and you (I hope) give me the same.  That love we hold is for who we are as people, not base biological needs, and in that sense gender doesn't matter.  My mind does this we a great many things, it jumps to one rational conculsion and is solid in that matter, then a second later will rationalise (most likely correctly as well) the exact oppsite making it impossible to choose.  In the issues pretaining to you, I'm probably subconciously tricking myself into thinking there are only two choices, which are both perfectly reasonable but condtradict each other, when a third or even fourth choice slips by unnoticed.

  Pretaining to myself, ignoring you completely as you have asked me to do many times.  I'm still scared.  Transition is a long and hard process, far from painless both phsyically and emotionally and like any rational creature; I'm afraid of pain.  I am a woman on the inside, and I would love to have the outside match.  I would give anything to not have so much testosterone coursing through me, I think I would be calmer and harder to anger then.  On the flip side I worry that transition won't change how I feel.  The outside would match the inside (mental) in a purely visual since, but I'm worried that I may still not feel comfortable with my body as the inside(genetically) would still be male (I might feel that way whether or not it's true in the strictest sense.)  Sometimes I think to myself, if there were a magic potion I could drink and then wake up wholly female the next morning, I would drink it without a second thought.  That in its self should be answer enough for what I should decide to do, but then my thoughts stray back to us and my thought processes moves right back to the beginning.

  Anyone reading this must think I'm a complete idiot.  I know many people will just say "either way you need a therapist."  Which is true so there is no need to actually say it.  A therapist would most likely help me make sense of my thoughts and come to a dicision either way.  However, like you stated yourself, $35.00/hour is not something we can aford to just throw away at the moment.  We could very well do it, it's not like we are so poor that if I took care of our finances correctly we couldn't afford it.  It's not affording it that's the issue, it's the fact that I can think of more practical things to spend the money on.

  We took a test in school once, to see which part of our brain we use.  At the conclusion of the test, we would been shown a picture (it was all computerized) of a brain with a red dot on it.  The brain was divided evenly into four sections:
1. Analytical-Visual
2. Artistic-Visual
3. Analytical-Auditory
4. Artistic Auditory
the red dot could be placed anywhere on the brain depending on how far you leaned towards each.  We were assured, that generally the dot would be difinitively placed on either the right or left (Artistic-Analytical [though I don't remember which side was what]), but could be placed any number of distances between front and back (Visual-Auditory).  Females could be expected to have their dots closer to the centre line between left and right, but it was extremely rare that anyone would use both equally.  Once the test with finished, my dot was staring back at me happily placed directly on the centre line between left and right, leaning slightly forward towards visual.  The test its self explained that people like me who use both sides of thier brain (analytical-artistic) equally are often hard to keep interested in anything, and have trouble making decisions.  The reason being that each side conflicts with the other creating a impasse as the brain doesn't know which to use.  I'm not saying this as an excuse, because it isn't.  Simply trying to give you an idea of how my thought processes work... or don't.

  I've rambled on long enough without really saying anything of worth, and I'm positive you all think I'm an utter retard by now so I'm just going to shut up.  I hope atleast something I said helped even a little though.

-Adrianna
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phantom_heart

Thank you so much for telling me all this hunny. I know people wont understand so much as to why typing is easer for you but they dont live with you.

Anyway as to what you have said. I think we have made strides i think that dressing more recently and taking you out on the town was great for you and for me. It just still seems like it hasnt changed you though. I'm glad your happyer on the inside but you dont convey that happyness to me. You stay the same undecided non talktive person. I  NOW know that it seems to have affected you in a postive way. I"m happy about that. But from the outside looking in at you it just seems like you have fun "dressing up" and slip right back into being Nick.

I can't let go of Nick until you do IF you do. As i've said if you choose to do nothing but dress feme when you want and keep all your man parts then thats fine. If you choose to follow the path for SRS then thats fine too but eather way i'm losing something and I have to greive for it. And i can't if its still staring me in the face every morning afternoon and evning. I also have to stop writing in the baby book. I have to mourn that loss if you choose SRS...there are so many things I have to do. (I know there are a lot you have to do as well) but right now i'm explaining my side.

I've made it this far without running screaming in the other direction. I feel now that moving to my dads may have put a hold on things but really if i think it through it hasnt. So you can't leave the bedroom if your dressed alot of TG people go through that so i've read. Also we wont be there for long. So you could start therapy....

About Therapy....I also think i should be talking to someone. I personally dont want to talk to someone onine and i REALLY think that you shouldnt eather. You already have problems communicting face to face...this is just going to make it worse. I dont want to have to talk on places like this i want to talk to your face. To hear what your really thinking even if it takes a while i can be pattient you just have to let me know your acctually thinking. (the problem is you just stare into space and dont tell me you need a few minutes)

Regardless this is your choise and as hard as it is remember unlike a lot of people you ARE NOT ALONE. Stop thinking of me as an obstical or something to worry about. I want to help you with your worrys in witch ever direction you choose. I know you say i worry alot already and I do. but i'm already worrying about this so why dont we worry together. This IS something to think about its not something foolish that i shouldnt be worrying over.

I know anyone reading this is not a shrink or what not but feel free to pop in some words of wisdom. I know this may not seem like the best place but think of SO's reading this or are in a simmalr situation that may get insight into what there mate is thinking. So i hope its okay to clog up this small space of the forum for our own personal revelations. Feel free to give us any advise  at all. It helps me. for someone on the outside to point out the obvious stuff we are missing.

Erica
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