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Started by Tammy Hope, December 11, 2009, 09:23:41 PM

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Tammy Hope

Heh.

that turned out to be more rewarding than I expected.

See, I stopped at a local law office to ask what I presumed was a routine question.

I'm acquainted with the receptionist there so I was hoping to just get an informal inquiry answered because I couldn't afford a formal consultation.

the question was, "what should I expect to do and pay when I get ready to do a legal name change?"

Well, she takes the question back to one of the partners and comes back with an uncertain reply having to do with the fact that it goes to a judge for approval (which I knew) but that he wasn't oblidged to approve it and might well deny the petition (which I knew was technically possible but I had assumed it would be a rubber stamp thing). so anyway, when i ask her some follow up questions she beg my pardon and went and ask him and he had her invite me back to talk to him directly.

He informed me that he wouldn't be at all confident that either of the two local judges who'd here the petition would in fact approve it (being, in his words, not the most open minded fellows around) and that led into a discussion of what we'd do if they denied it.

I do believe Mr. Lawyer Man has a hyperactive civil rights gene!

Before I left we talked about things like potential job discrimination (since I have the qualifications to teach) and even the theoretical possibility of marriage issues and he seemed very eager to have a chance to be on the cutting edge of trans rights in Mississippi...made me wish I had an actual case to have him get started on!

So anyway, I'm still probably most of a year from the name change thing (gotta soften things up on the home front for one thing - I'm hoping around my next birthday in October) but it sure looks like I've got an enthusiastic advocate "sittin' on ready" should the need arise.

Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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lisagurl

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QuoteHe informed me that he wouldn't be at all confident that either of the two local judges who'd here the petition would in fact approve it."

Mississippi elects their local civil court judges. That means that if the judge does something that the public might not approve he might not be elected again. They could refuse to sign, and if they do approve it they will bury your file so no newspaper person can find it. I had to get a lawyer from Memphis to beg the judge to sign mine.
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tekla

Ain't it funny that the conservatives who always whine and snivel about liberals running to the courts, and 'judges making law' almost rip their underpants pulling out their lawyers phone number from their pants pocket when they feel the need.  So despite your politics, you stated opinions, your voting record - your now going to depend on those 'liberal' rulings, those 'liberal' laws, passed by 'liberal' politicians as part of a liberal progressive society who you otherwise despise to pull your bacon from the fire?  Really?  Platte River values dear - a mile wide and an inch deep.

since I have the qualifications to teach
Any school board that would hire a teacher who homeschools their own children is not just stupid, but probably ought to be taken out back and shot.  What parent in their right mind (and lord knows, after kids most are not) is going to trust their kids education to people who don't trust it for their own kids?  Really.

In fact, isn't the kind of 'liberal' notions that your very presence in the school would proclaim louder than a marching band playing Dixie on Jeb Stuart Day one of the very reasons that you homeschool your kids in the first place, to 'protect' them from that.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Tammy Hope

Well.

I'm glad I gave you a chance to vent all your "I'm better than you are" ramblings for the day.

Hopefully now we can get back to a bit more of a civil conversation.

In the mean time, I'll refrain from trying to disabuse you of your assumptions, presumptions, delusions and fantasies.
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Suzy

Laura,

I am so sorry you are having to put up with all of  this.  There should be fundamental rules about who can or can't change names and they should be upheld without prejudice.  I guess we have a long way to go in having a just world.

I am also sorry that the previous poster took it upon himself to personally attack you.  You certainly did not deserve that.  Nor do the members of your school board deserve being murdered.  That is sick.  I guess some people just are allowed personal attacks with no repercussions, regardless of the rules.

Thank you for staying above that, and showing that you are the better person.  This shows me that you are going to do well, honey.

Kristi
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Tammy Hope

Quote from: Kristi on December 12, 2009, 08:00:10 PM
Laura,

I am so sorry you are having to put up with all of  this.  There should be fundamental rules about who can or can't change names and they should be upheld without prejudice.  I guess we have a long way to go in having a just world.


Kristi

Well, to be clear, this was just the lawyer's opinion that they might possibly deny me - I haven't applied yet.

thanks for your kind words, hun - it was sweet of you to say.


Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Hannah

I don't feel like Tekla was on the attack per se, I've seen her on the attack and that isn't it believe me. Laura's saga is a story of frustratingly spinning wheels, and unless one is mindful of everything and not just the individual bits of each particular story it's hard to see the larger picture. Personally if I was being self destructive, hypocritical, and unredeemably hurtful to those around me, and that's just my opinion based on everything I have read (and I read everything you post honey, I do love you even though it doesn't sound it) I would want someone objective and honest, like Tekla, to tell me. 

Actually, she did. About a year ago her advice played a large role in my redefining my place in the world as a perpetual victim.

I can't guarantee I would listen at first, but hopefully eventually I would get it through my head and start making some positive choices. Please don't see these/those comments as attacks and dismiss them, please think about what's being said. Support isn't always about telling people what they want to hear.
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Tammy Hope

Becca, hun, that post has nothing to do with a victim mentality. For starters, I didn't claim to be the victim of ANYTHING in that post....I only posted it to remark on how hyped up this lawyer was to make some noise.

I CAN'T be a victim there because I haven't ask for anything yet.

Further, in all my description of being broke or whatever, I've never gone out of my way to suggest anyone has done anything to me unfairly - I'm a "victim" of my own poor choices, along with a bit of bad timing and circumstances.

I know that not everyone reads it this way but it IS possible to say "some stuff sucks right now" without blaming anyone else for the fact.

Maybe that's WHY I'm not what passes nowdays (incorrectly I might add) for a "liberal" - because I don't think I need to find people to blame for my circumstances.

But I know you are not attacking me, so lets break down tekla's pearls of wisdom:

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Ain't it funny that the conservatives who always whine and snivel about liberals running to the courts, and 'judges making law' almost rip their underpants pulling out their lawyers phone number from their pants pocket when they feel the need.
So, what we have here is tekla ASSUMING that because I hold some politically conservative views, I MUST hold every stereotypical right-of-center view out there. Obviously, of course, tek can't cite you ONE SINGLE POST I've made here about this subject and he has NO clue what my actual opinion on the subject is.

Still, no reason not to build an attack on an ASSUMPTION, right?
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So despite your politics,
Libertarian?
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you stated opinions,
Quote me on the subject at hand.
Quoteyour voting record
which is?
Quote- your now going to depend on those 'liberal' rulings, those 'liberal' laws, passed by 'liberal' politicians as part of a liberal progressive society who you otherwise despise to pull your bacon from the fire?
What "liberal" rulings do you presume I stand in opposition to? or are you so simple minded that you can't conceive of a person being right wing on some subjects and left wing on others and libertarian on still others?

Unless you can quote me suggesting that the court guaranteeing equal protection under the law is a bad thing or even a liberal thing?

And, by the way, where did I say any bacon was in the fire? The bacon is still in the fridge.
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  Really?  Platte River values dear - a mile wide and an inch deep.
See Becca - no proof, no evidence, nothing but unsupported assumptions - yet perfectly willing to call my values shallow. this is NOT an attack?
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since I have the qualifications to teach
Any school board that would hire a teacher who homeschools their own children is not just stupid, but probably ought to be taken out back and shot.  What parent in their right mind (and lord knows, after kids most are not) is going to trust their kids education to people who don't trust it for their own kids?  Really.
Well, let's see - do people go to other countries and try to provide them health care or clean water or decent housing even though those places feature standards those people wouldn't use for their own kids?

It is certainly possible to feel that you want better for your kids than public schooling and at the same time want the public schools which WILL exist to be as good as they can be. for the sake of the kids that won't be homeschooled (or private schooled).

It doesn't imply a lack of concern for the schools or the kids that you think homeschooling is even better. In point of fact, the one thing you find is almost universal among home-school parents which any teacher will tell you is fairly rare among a lot of public school parents is an actual concern for and involvement in their kids education.

Schools need MORE of that sort of person, not less.
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In fact, isn't the kind of 'liberal' notions that your very presence in the school would proclaim louder than a marching band playing Dixie on Jeb Stuart Day one of the very reasons that you homeschool your kids in the first place, to 'protect' them from that.
So you would assume.

As a matter of fact, I don't really have any desire to teach anymore. The fact that I have a license to just came up as an incidental tangent on the idea of fighting discrimination.

But I'm sure you assume the most Dobsonesque spin on the situation because you've been trained to think in those black and white terms (apparently from this post)

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so, Becca, with all due respect, tekla has lept to a conclusion on almost every point addressed in this post, has attacked me without evidence or proof the assumptions are correct, and gone completely afield of what was intended to be a pretty lighthearted post.

Furthermore, tekla has demonstrated a far more narrow minded attitude here than the one I hold and one, in fact, reminiscent of the worst kind of legalist that I have been assumed to be. Basically this post is every bit as bitter, hateful, and strident as anything a fundy preacher might say about me - only because the attack comes from the left it's somehow ok because he's (supposedly) correct?

I disagree.

Someone shouldn't be commended for being a hateful bitter nasty poster, even if on the rare occasion they say something insightful along the way.

the same points could easily have been made in a respectful way.


Now, all that said, let me make one or two other point since it's all out in the open here.

My views HAVE changed in the last 10, 20, 30 years.

Anyone here who's old enough and ever given any serious thought to the issues can say the same thing. if you are in your 30's or 40's and haven't shifted your philosophical, political, or moral views in all that time then I suggest to you that you've never examined them and you don't know WHY you hold them, you are just someone's parrot.

Was there a time in my life when I would have agreed with the proposition that a transsexual should not be a teacher in a public school?

Yeah.

So?

there was a time when I was a "life at conception no abortion ever" pro-life hardliner too.

My views changed on that without my ever having been pregnant or impregnated a woman who had to consider an abortion.

the ASSUMPTION that only when one has found a vested interest in an issue does one switch sides is juvenile thinking for immature minds.

My views went from mildly liberal to hard conservative to mostly libertarian over the years.

Furthermore, it is perfectly possible for one to prioritize the issues in such a way that they sacrifice A because B is more immediate or important.

Would I LIKE to vote for a politician who would, for instance, vote for ENDA and at the same time believe in a small, fiscally sound government? Yeah.

But will I vote for a politician who will bankrupt the country with nonsensical deficit spending just so I can get one more vote for ENDA?

No, I won't. Because equal protection does me no good if I live in a failed county that can't defend itself or pay it's bills or meet it's obligations.

But I don't mean to debate those particular issues in this thread - I'm simply trying to point out that it is not necessary to like or approve of all or even most of a politicians positions if he or she is in the right place on the issue you consider most crucial.

tekla implies I am letting my vested self interest drive my choices - yet it is well know that I am uninsured and yet I oppose most every major facet of the proposed health care reform bills being debated in congress.

Where's the self-interest there?

Or is the argument that if I oppose the thing and it passes I should somehow abstain from partaking of those benefits? (as long as they last)

Why? Either way I'll pay the price for their existence.

Sigh.

this has gone on too long.

the simple point is that, in my humble opinion, tekla displayed knee-jerk, simplistic and juvenile thinking to launch an unnecessary and inaccurate attack based on unproven assumptions derived from stereotyping and quite probably bigotry.

whatever might have been said to your benefit in the past, this post was uncalled for, rude, and unnecessarily confrontational.

He was being an ass, on purpose, towards someone he clearly doesn't like.


(apologies if I'm getting the pronouns wrong...I've never really gotten which tekla prefers)
 
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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