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Started by Shana A, December 11, 2009, 07:47:44 AM

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Shana A

Gene discovery could make gender reassignment easier

By Jessica Geen • December 11, 2009 - 10:15

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/11/gene-discovery-could-make-gender-reassignment-easier/

The discovery of a single gene which controls gender could pave the way for simpler treatment of trans people.

Researchers at the National Institute for Medical Research discovered that just one gene prevents females from developing male physical characteristics such as facial hair and testes.

The study in adult mice showed that when the gene, known as FOXL2, was artificially switched off, the ovaries of female mice began developing into testes and they produced male amounts of testosterone.

more articles

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/from-minnie-to-mickey-and-all-they-did-was-turn-off-a-gene-1838170.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1234802/Female-gene-breakthrough-spell-new-treatments-delay-motherhood-further.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/genetics/article6952050.ece#comment-have-your-say
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Dawn D.

Now, we're gettin' somewhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dawn
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Janet_Girl

But what if one does not have the gene and is still a Transperson.  Would such a person then not be Trans, but just a Transvestite?  I could not envision such a labeling for myself.

But would it really make it easier?  Or just move your diagnosis to medical rather than in the DSM?  That is something I would fear.



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Janet
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Virginia87106

Through spiritual alchemy, it has been postulated that it is possible to modify genetic material through "intention" or meditation.
Hmmmmm....I will have to think about this.
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LordKAT

The one article stated that surgery would not be needed because your body would make the hormones and that so far outward appearance has not changed.

This does not compute.
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Dawn D.

I think I understand your concerns Janet. And, believe me I do not take them lightly. However, (first my disclaimer: I am not a doctor, geneticist, or a psychiatrist, these are only my unprofessional assumptions and opinions) I think this may open the door to a more verifiable genetic component to why we develop the way we do. This particular case in the way I read it may really give more light to how women who are born with AIS can be understood and maybe helped, than it does to us as transexuals (excepting maybe FTM's).

The issue of what it actually means for "us" can be troubling if the actual "Trans" gene is found. I think everyone can understand the implications of the "cure" that could be developed in such a situation. I actually can see benefit and problems from such a determination if they ever do actually find that gene. After all, once you've been born with this condition, and are a living breathing person, it's not bloody likely that someone short of a bigoted supremacist type (much as they do now), would be able to argue that we need to be cured by altering our gene's. Rather, as shown in the article, the real intent is to get the body caught up with where the mind is at. And, isn't that what we all know within ourselves, is what needs to happen?

Yet if by this study it is shown that in not only FTM's but, also MTF's can develop the desired sexual characteristics, it sounds like a lot shorter and much, much safer, not to mention less expensive potential treatment than what we currently are offered.

As for the DSM I think it is high time we were out of that gatekeeper handbook and allowed to move into the realm of real medicine and treatments to match! But, that is just my opinion. I don't pretend to know all of the politics of this particular argument but I am willing to listen and learn!

In any case it is fascinating at the progress and development of these studies as are showing up these days.


Dawn
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Shana A

New discovery: gene keeps ovaries from turning into testes
December 11, 10:00 AM
Matt Kailey

http://www.examiner.com/x-12237-Transgender--Transsexual-Issues-Examiner~y2009m12d11-New-discovery-gene-keeps-ovaries-from-turning-into-testes?cid=examiner-email

British and German scientists believe they have discovered a gene that maintains the function of the ovaries, according to the UK's Daily Mail.

When the gene was switched off in adult female mice, another gene became active, literally changing ovarian cells to those found in testes, which also led to the production of testosterone in the mice.

Scientists say that this could have implications for delaying menopause — and motherhood. In addition, it could have implications for transsexual people as far as manipulating the hormones that the body is able to naturally produce.
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Miniar

it doesn't control "gender" it controls whether you have ovaries or testes... that first thing was just poorly written.



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Flan

It might be better to link straight to the research then the media's stupid version of it

Somatic Sex Reprogramming of Adult Ovaries to Testes by FOXL2 Ablation
http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674%2809%2901433-0
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Dawn D.

One other thought that has occurred to me concerning this type of research development; political protections!

With scientific data to support the actuality of trans people, and more of it arriving all the time, shouldn't it become clearer that we are who we say we are? Can anyone tell me if utilizing this data in connection to legitimizing the need for protective legislation such as ENDA is being considered? If not, why not? Solid scientific research, accompanied with exclusionary testimonies and the other legal matters that are already considered, should give a good solid anchoring for passage by even those that could currently still have doubts about us being included to make passage possible.


Dawn   
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Syne

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sarahb

Quote from: Dawn D. on December 22, 2009, 11:31:40 AM
Solid scientific research, accompanied with exclusionary testimonies and the other legal matters that are already considered, should give a good solid anchoring for passage by even those that could currently still have doubts about us being included to make passage possible.

It's not about the evidence in this matter, it's about people's beliefs. No matter if we show them all the proof in the world, they will still believe what they believe because it's backed up by their faith, which requires no evidence to come to a conclusion.

~Sarah
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Dawn D.

Hi Sarah!
Quotethey will still believe what they believe because it's backed up by their faith, which requires no evidence to come to a conclusion.

Not discounting your thoughts, however, if that's the way we look at things these days then, what happened to all the leper colony's? How about the fact that Hate Crimes is now a reality? We can win this. Whether or not they fall on their faith. Even the Pope had to admit eventually that Galileo was right about the Earth not being the center of the Universe!

I'd like to utilize every bit of evidence to make our argument as irrefutable as possible. I think at times, we leave to much room for the other side to maneuver with, in order to not do the right thing.


Dawn


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sarahb

Quote from: Dawn D. on December 22, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Not discounting your thoughts, however, if that's the way we look at things these days then, what happened to all the leper colony's? How about the fact that Hate Crimes is now a reality?

That takes the people currently in power changing their beliefs (or at least not believing that going against their beliefs will actually result in harm, in this life or the next), or other people, with other beliefs stepping in to replace them to do what's right.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be beneficial, but supporting evidence may not be all that important to some people, no matter how conclusive it may be.

~Sarah
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Dawn D.

Hi Sarah!

Quotesupporting evidence may not be all that important to some people, no matter how conclusive it may be.

Well, that would explain ignorance then wouldn't it (them, not you dear)?


Dawn
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sarahb

Quote from: Dawn D. on December 22, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
Hi Sarah!

Well, that would explain ignorance then wouldn't it (them, not you dear)?


Dawn

Haha, that it would :)

~Sarah
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