Do any of you guys like other FTM's sexually?

[Lachlann]

Tekla, if you had been sexually molested as a little kid by a guy with an uncut dick, you might also feel a little conflicted about them. And I've talked to gay men who oppose circumcision but much prefer to have sex with uncut guys. I guess they're just like women too, eh?

While I agree with the last portion of your post, the first half... I don't really see it as being a valid point with all du respect.

[GnomeKid]

While I agree with the last portion of your post, the first half... I don't really see it as being a valid point with all du respect.

Its perfectly valid.
Some people, years later, cannot stand to (or have a very negative reaction when they) hear a song that was being played during a traumatic experience, (aka molestation rape ect.) hear similar phrases as those used, or even drink the flavor of cool-aid they were served.  The list goes on, but senses and memory are very closely connected. 

If the sight of an uncut dick puts you back in the place you were in (mentally) during said molestation it is perfectly valid that you would strongly dislike them.  At the same time you can still be able to objectively look at the issue and say "this is wrong that we do this"

not sure what wouldn't be valid about that.


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Also I have to say that to point a finger at anyone on this forum[where we come to escape being seen as women] and say "just like a woman" is kind of verging on cruel...

very unnecessary.

[Elijah3291]

Also I have to say that to point a finger at anyone on this forum[where we come to escape being seen as women] and say "just like a woman" is kind of verging on cruel...

very unnecessary.

agreed

[GamerJames]

Its perfectly valid.
Some people, years later, cannot stand to (or have a very negative reaction when they) hear a song that was being played during a traumatic experience, (aka molestation rape ect.) hear similar phrases as those used, or even drink the flavor of cool-aid they were served.  The list goes on, but senses and memory are very closely connected. 

Agreed. I still hate the smell of PineSol.

And:

Its perfectly valid.
Also I have to say that to point a finger at anyone on this forum[where we come to escape being seen as women] and say "just like a woman" is kind of verging on cruel...

very unnecessary.

^This^

[Lachlann]

Its perfectly valid.
Some people, years later, cannot stand to (or have a very negative reaction when they) hear a song that was being played during a traumatic experience, (aka molestation rape ect.) hear similar phrases as those used, or even drink the flavor of cool-aid they were served.  The list goes on, but senses and memory are very closely connected. 

If the sight of an uncut dick puts you back in the place you were in (mentally) during said molestation it is perfectly valid that you would strongly dislike them.  At the same time you can still be able to objectively look at the issue and say "this is wrong that we do this"

not sure what wouldn't be valid about that.


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Also I have to say that to point a finger at anyone on this forum[where we come to escape being seen as women] and say "just like a woman" is kind of verging on cruel...

very unnecessary.

*shrug* Maybe, it just hit a little too close when I heard someone try to claim they were a Nazi because a black person raped them. It just doesn't make sense with me.

[GamerJames]

*shrug* Maybe, it just hit a little too close when I heard someone try to claim they were a Nazi because a black person raped them. It just doesn't make sense with me.

Just because some a$$hats use their hurt to cause hurt to others does NOT preclude people who have been hurt from being wary of future pain and/or flashbacks. Arch's dislike of uncut schlongs doesn't hurt anyone, and therefore it's completely valid. The situation where you heard of someone going all Nazi because of their experiences is indeed hurtful to others, and therefore is not a valid expression of their pain. Victimizing someone is never okay.

[Lachlann]

Just because some a$$hats use their hurt to cause hurt to others does NOT preclude people who have been hurt from being wary of future pain and/or flashbacks. Arch's dislike of uncut schlongs doesn't hurt anyone, and therefore it's completely valid. The situation where you heard of someone going all Nazi because of their experiences is indeed hurtful to others, and therefore is not a valid expression of their pain. Victimizing someone is never okay.

And then I'd bring up the point that I also think it's silly for people to dislike names because their bully or whatnot was named that, too. It's just how I feel about it, I'm not attacking Arch either I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. I don't think that sort of thing should be connected. It was the moron who did it, not what was related and that's all I'll say.

I'm not about to tell people how they should feel about something either.

[Silver]

Tekla, if you had been sexually molested as a little kid by a guy with an uncut dick, you might also feel a little conflicted about them.

I'm with Lachlann here that this just doesn't make too much sense to me. Circumcision is unnatural.

What if you were molested with a normal hand? Would you only want to shake hands with people with missing fingers?

Anyway, I don't think the poster was referring to trauma, just his personal preference.

[Arch]

What if you were molested with a normal hand? Would you only want to shake hands with people with missing fingers?

I don't know. I can say that in such a scenario, I would have seen many hands in my lifetime and probably wouldn't build up any special associations with them even if a regular five-digit hand had hurt me.

My discomfort is very visceral. I don't expect it to be logical. But I'll explain as best I can.

I don't have a problem with seeing uncut penises. My experience was tactile. I was seven and had never seen any penis before. I was very scared and very uncomfortable and very ashamed. Among other things, he made me give him a hand job. I have a lasting tactile memory of how it felt.

Years later, at a swing party, I met a guy with an uncut penis. He was very proud of it. We hooked up. He wanted me to jerk him off. As an adult, I had given hand jobs before, but only to uncircumcised men. I didn't realize it beforehand, but uncut feels very different from cut. So I started to jack him off, and it felt nauseatingly familiar. My stomach clenched up, and I wanted to vomit. I began to feel sick and panicky. I felt a sense of dread. I struggled not to cry. I just wanted to get out of there. I could not go on, so I told him I had to stop.

At that point in my life, I only had intermittent memories of the molestation, so I didn't put it all together until later.

This is the first time I have talked about the circumcision issue except one brief discussion with a trusted trans man. My therapist doesn't know, although he knows I was molested. Even now, I start shaking just thinking about it...I flash back to that day when I was seven, and it's very scary and very hard. I have trouble breathing. Despite the T, I start to cry because I can't help it. I feel like a little kid again, being hurt by that guy. It's terrifying.

This is a big step for me to talk about it here, so please be kind. You don't have to understand it, just accept it for what it is.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I had to get this out.

[Radar]

My discomfort is very visceral. I don't expect it to be logical.

I understand some. I have an odd- yet paralyzing- phobia that no one, including myself, can understand where I got it from. It doesn't deal with any kind of molestation or even human interaction. It's odd, uncommon and makes no sense why I have it. Before anybody asks- no, I'm not revealing it.

[Alessandro]

This is a big step for me to talk about it here, so please be kind. You don't have to understand it, just accept it for what it is.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I had to get this out.

I can't speak for others but I certainly understand and respect you for talking about this.  Its a difficult thing to have to explain I'm sure and I know everyone here has had experience trying to explain difficult stuff to people.  So, respect man   

[Teknoir]

Oh my server.

I'm so sorry this thread has been taken in a direction that caused you to relive such horrible memories, Arch.

I can't begin to imagine what surviving an atrocity like that would feel like.

[Ryuu]

I'm pansexual - I find FtMs attractive, as well as MtFs, androgynes, genderqueers, any other part of the trans* spectrum, and cispeople.

[Silver]

This is a big step for me to talk about it here, so please be kind. You don't have to understand it, just accept it for what it is.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I had to get this out.

I don't think anyone has any problem with it. It's too bad. Nobody really deserves to have to deal with that kind of thing and I'm certainly glad I didn't offend you or anything.

I can't really relate, all I've got is an irrational fear of dogs. Never been bitten or anything, I just panic and run from any loose dogs (even chihuahuas.) I'm working on it.

Oh, and as for the point about seeing many hands, I guess you're right.

[cynthialee]

Elijah your threads always deliver the goods.

[ftmshubbie]

Guys, guys, guys!

It's about love, not plumbing!

[Jay]

I am straight so I only like women..

But to date.. I wouldn't have a clue haven't met or "dated" a woman for 1 year and 5 months not that anyone is counting... 

Jay

[KaydinTheSquire]

I used to not like FTMs because of the female body thing, but I now care more about if somewhat identifies as male than if their body is male. I think I'm pansexual though.

[Chamillion]

I've only ever been into women, but I find a lot of FtM's attractive, and would possibly consider dating one if the opportunity arose.  I feel bad about that though, since FtM's are guys and I most likely wouldn't date a bio guy, and I can't explain why I feel the way I do

[Alex_C]

I've only ever been into women, but I find a lot of FtM's attractive, and would possibly consider dating one if the opportunity arose.  I feel bad about that though, since FtM's are guys and I most likely wouldn't date a bio guy, and I can't explain why I feel the way I do

I'm not into bio guys at all, I only like women. I find some FTMs attractive, the more feminine ones, and I don't know how any of them would like that. I guess if the situation presents itself, I'll give it a try if it looks like it will be fun.