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Started by Jhenry, February 03, 2010, 09:24:07 PM

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Jhenry

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

What do you guys think about this charecter? Has anyone read his book.
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Flan

no, but I love all 7 answers given
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091223001233AAq2yQ3

edit: author is a little nutty imho
http://waltheyer.vox.com/
QuoteToday a procedure is prescribed as "treatment" that calls for slicing off the male genitalia and then the surgeon pronounces he has made a "female" as if it just jumped from the womb. Then the TV shows parade the men with no "snoopy" wearing a dress in front of millions lending their media credibility to this masquerade of a woman. Who is dumber, us for allowing such a lie to become so acceptable or the now male in a dress with no genitalia?

that's srs? why deny gender identity?

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I want to be an encouragement to Michael. I want him to understand that the world's view that a man can become a woman is a fraud. The world and all its skilled surgeons can only produce counterfeit genders. The surgery is not treatment, but it is a lifestyle choice.

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rejennyrated

Sadly until someone does the proper medical legwork and finds a reliable diagnostic test based on something more scientific than a real life test there will always be a few rejects.

Even at our current level of understanding of the neurology of the condition it had been clear for the past two or three years now that a proper diagnosis of this condition should be possible based on brain imaging, studying activation patern responses to stimuli and maybe testing for specific gene varients.

Although happily, even with the ridiculous trial and error system we have, operating under the completely flawed (in my opinion) standards of care, such post surgical regrets are relativey rare.
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Jhenry

Quote from: rejennyrated on February 04, 2010, 01:59:59 AM
Sadly until someone does the proper medical legwork and finds a reliable diagnostic test based on something more scientific than a real life test there will always be a few rejects.

Even at our current level of understanding of the neurology of the condition it had been clear for the past two or three years now that a proper diagnosis of this condition should be possible based on brain imaging, studying activation patern responses to stimuli and maybe testing for specific gene varients.

Although happily, even with the ridiculous trial and error system we have, operating under the completely flawed (in my opinion) standards of care, such post surgical regrets are relativey rare.
In my case its pretty obviouse that I do have a gender issue in that my sexual fantasies I am always a woman. It just the descission that im crrentlly considering  in myself as to whether I should simplly live as a transvestite or go into transition. I will always have a femal'es mind, as I always have. But since my transsexuality seems to be stuck inside my sexuality I might be better off not having to deal with the hardships that follow a transition.ing
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:08:34 AM
In my case its pretty obviouse that I do have a gender issue in that my sexual fantasies I am always a woman. It just the descission that im crrentlly considering  in myself as to whether I should simplly live as a transvestite or go into transition. I will always have a femal'es mind, as I always have. But since my transsexuality seems to be stuck inside my sexuality I might be better off not having to deal with the hardships that follow a transition.ing
Yes and sadly you are probably the only one who can tell, although I think it may perhaps be risky to base ones decision on gender in sexual fantasies. There should, I think, ideally be a little more to it than that.

My own possition was rather unusual in that even as far back as the 1960's I had grown up from childhood largely as a female with my families assistance. So at quite a deep level I just believed that I WAS female. It was only the mirror and my physical form which begged to differ.

And of course I went on to have SRS whilst still relatively young. Personally it never crossed my mind for even a fraction of a second that I would live as a transvestite, because strangely enough the clothes really weren't that important to me. Nor indeed was I that bothered about what other people thought of me.

Yes I wanted to be seen as a woman, but it didn't really matter to me whether I was seen as ugly, butch, feminine, pretty, whatever...

All that mattered was the knowlege that I was permanently and irrevoccably physically female (or as medically close to that state as I could get).

The fact that we can not, as yet, become fertile in our new sex is merely a limitation which I must live with and as such I don't really regard myself as being much different to a woman who has had to undergo a hysterectomy.

As far as hardships go post transition, for me there simply weren't any at all! I've never had even a tiny problem. But I know that that probably marks me out as in a small and hideously lucky proportion of people.

However listening to many others on here it is clear that in most places these days things are a lot easier than they were. Most people seem to eventually find a niche and acceptance. Most find that their families an friends do eventually come around. I think the UK is also now one of the most accepting places.

So whilst I wouldn't say that the road is an easy one, I think it is very easy, when you set out, to overestimate the difficulty involved. Fact is, most of us survive it, and the vast majority are happy with the end result.

Anyway - good luck in your deliberations. I hope your find your answer.
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Jhenry

There's alot of different situations on the "trans rainbow" as I put it. But ultimately you just want to be happy with yourself.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:46:06 AM
There's alot of different situations on the "trans rainbow" as I put it. But ultimately you just want to be happy with yourself.
That is indeed what it's all about and I sincerely hope you find that place as easily I did. In the 26 years since my original surgery I can honestly say I have never regretted or questioned what I did.

(My partner jokes that I liked it so much that I had to go back for a second helping! LOL ;D)
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mmelny

This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan
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FairyGirl

Quote from: Melan on February 05, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan

Yeah exactly this.

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Natasha

Quote from: Melan on February 05, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan

double ditto
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spacial

That there are people who subsequent to TG surgery, claim to regret it can hardly be a surprise.

People who opt for such drastic treatment are as varied as society itself.

But the only way to really asses this issue is to compare the number who have expressed regret and those that have not. Perhaps adding those that still yearn for it.

I suggest the percentages will speak for themselves.
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Renate

I met one trans-woman and saw her immediately after she "jumped trolley".
She had decided that SRS was not for her but would be continuing her life as a woman.
She did not seem depressed or anxious, rather content that she had resolved something.
I still scratch my head over this incident.
Maybe being older she decided that for her this last detail wasn't important.
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barbie

I subscribe this thread  :icon_bumdance-nerd:

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Sandy

I have to admit that this story and ones like these tend to raise my dander and blood pressure.

In many cases these regretful transitioners are presented as being much more prevalent than they are and depending on the poster, actually say that they represent the majority of the feelings of those who go through irreversible surgery.

These articles are usually presented by the ex-gay, christian taliban, faux news / british tabloids or those who are trying to line their pockets by selling their particular take on the process and how they are more ->-bleeped-<--than-thou (forgive me for the use of ->-bleeped-<-) by saying that it's all a lie and that we are somehow coerced into our decision to have surgery by money hungry surgeons who are anxious to put another notch on their scalpel.

(ok, I have taken English courses and I know that the previous paragraph was a run-on sentence, so leave it be.)

If one thinks about it rationally for more than about six seconds, you would realize that a good plastic surgeon could generate quite a bit more money by doing surgery that isn't related to trans issues.  And our most favorite surgeons that just about all of us know by name could be much more financially secure than they already are just by going mainstream.

Two, if one really tries, it is certainly possible that you can bypass all the safeguards and have SRS.  Many have.  Most are very happy.  But there are some very notable regretful transitioners.  Rene Richards comes to mind, but actually she went through her transition before HBSOC/WPATH had been established.  I dare say, were she to attempt to go through transition today, she would either been denied or taken much more time in RLE before given her letters.

Every surgeon have those patients who do not have a good experience.  That is the nature of any surgery.  And since we have only one chance at doing this, we spend quite a bit of time researching our choices.

And even with WPATH, there are those who feel that they were wrong.  That happens.

However, the process of transition through SRS has been demonstrated to be the MOST successful treatment for GID.  After five years the number of those who regret are usually less than two percent of those who have had surgery.  That staggeringly successful number is higher than any other treatment for any other mental issue.  For example, classic twelve-step programs that are used to address addictions are only about thirty percent successful.  Also it is unique in that surgery is used to address a mental condition instead of pure therapy and drugs.

Also a great deal of therapy is designed for setting expectations of the client.  We should know that SRS does not make our other problems in life go away.  As much as I wish, no knight in shining armor has showed up to sweep me off my feet and take me to his castle (darn it!).  We still have to pay the bills, we still have to carry on.  But now we can carry on with a life that is much less complex for us.  We see life as the treasure that it is.  We are much less likely to have suicidal ideation or attempts.

For those who have regrets, I am truly sorry for you.  But YOU have to take responsibility for your actions!  No one held a gun to your head and forced you to have SRS.  On some level you were not honest with yourself and with your transition team.  YOU FAILED!

And to turn around and blame those who have made an honest attempt to help you is wrong.

This is a one way ticket.  You knew that starting out.  There is NO GOING BACK!

I will defend the process not only because I have been given a reprieve from a death sentence, but I know so many others who have also been saved.  To try and take that away from them so you can have some sort of belief that it wasn't your fault is wrong.  You are wrong and YOU should go and live your life the way you have wanted, but leave the rest of us alone!

-Sandy(no funny saying this time, I'm pissed!)
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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K8

YES.  What Sandy said. ^

(Go grrrl!)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Janet_Girl

I agree with Sandy.  Yes there are those who regret going forward with SRS, but then there are those who would give their right arm to have surgery.  And I am one of those. 

The surgery does not make you a woman or a man, that is already in place in the brain.  The surgery just brings the body into completeness.  I have thought over this decision for a really long time.  And I am ready and willing, just not able. 
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Just Kate

Quote from: Jhenry on February 03, 2010, 09:24:07 PM
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

What do you guys think about this charecter? Has anyone read his book.

This disgusts me.  People/groups like this make my side look bad too! :(  I know and interact with others who have regretted their SRS, but they don't wish to deny the opportunity to others - it just wasn't the best answer for them.  Any bitterness they feel revolves around the idea that they falsely believed complete transition to be the only answer to their GID.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

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Flan

I got unlazy and read the site and the author of the pulp fiction was really a textbook case of a client with a comorbid psychiatric condition.

In the other "example", there is no evidence that the diagnosis was incorrect, and no commentary about social support.

The "letter", all one of them, is about what somebody else supposedly is thinking, also, the claim to be unable to find a surgeon to remove implants is laughable at best.

The whole thing isn't worth the space on the internet.
PS: The publisher of this has made other anti-LGBT pulp before, remember this thread?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html
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Sandy

Quote from: FlanHusky on February 06, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
I got unlazy and read the site and the author of the pulp fiction was really a textbook case of a client with a comorbid psychiatric condition.

In the other "example", there is no evidence that the diagnosis was incorrect, and no commentary about social support.

The "letter", all one of them, is about what somebody else supposedly is thinking, also, the claim to be unable to find a surgeon to remove implants is laughable at best.

The whole thing isn't worth the space on the internet.
PS: The publisher of this has made other anti-LGBT pulp before, remember this thread?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html

Yuck!  My computer wants a rape shower after browsing that site!

All these sites have the belief that having a birth sex defines our gender.  They cannot accept that we are opposite our birth sex to start and that we "wear a body" that is at best uncomfortable and at worst repugnant.  The whole "god made you a man and you cannot be anything else" starts from a flawed statement.

Or actually they don't see how right they are.

God made me a woman and I cannot be anything else.  How true, how true!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Marie

The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly cut off his penis is the day I have abandoned all reason.
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