Gender appropriate activities, before and after...

[Ricki]

No Mikko don't that was i guess what i meant.......

but that doesn't mean people aren't going to judge you a certain way because of those hobbies and activities

People do this, I am not in support of it i was in my long winded way just making my point or trying to.. definatly not a gender vs. thing or i did not mean it that way what you said above in the quote is sadly true or at least in my state or area people do judge you based on your hobbies and sports around here along with your dress and the way you carry yourself.. Very very sad state of affairs but true around here..
Anyway i drifted off a little not you so stay on your post I'll not try and edge it off track!
Ricki

[umop ap!sdn]

I can kind of relate to the OP. Where I work, I have to go outside a lot and do a little bit of heavy lifting (not carrying things). Before I went full time, customers who guessed my gender wrong probably just had their perceptions reinforced when they saw me do that. Now, I'm sure people think of it as me being strong and non-traditionalist. Guess which one I like better, LOL.

On the other hand, some people step in and help, which is also kind of nice. I dunno - in a lot of ways I've always been real feminine so in those respects I suppose I perpetuate a stereotype. But that's just me being myself, as opposed to before my epiphany when I used to give in too much to the expectations of the gender I was perceived as.

Interesting thing about cooking: I haven't learned it at home, but I always imagined I'd get involved with a woman who can cook and then I'd take the initiative to be at her side in the kitchen and learn. I still intend to do that. But looking back, I see that the image in my mind of me and (hypothetical) her was an image of two women.

While I love woodworking I hate working alone and have yet to find anyone who enjoys this and can handle working with a TS.

You should meet my father - he's good at woodworking and doesn't mind at all.

[Ricki]

Nice reply umop
mine is not a good example but sort of like if at work we go outside to break and just a group of people head back in and a woman opens the door i sort of shoot through it thinking wow thanks that was nice, then others (men and women) give you a stare like because you are a guy in appearance i should of taken the place of the door opening and holding for the "real" ladies?
ugghhhhhh..........
a catholic priest would run out of holy beads and still never solve all these social misconceptions!
Luv
Ricki

[nonie]

I hold the door for my bf just as often as he holds it for me.  His friends usually don't notice but a couple guys he knows who are real "gentlemen" kind of guys actually like stand in the door and do that "Oh, no, you first" thing and just hold up the whole thing.  It's funny cuz they're trying to be polite but they're just geting in everyone's way

[Ricki]

I know what you mean mikko..
Funny until some of the social perceptions ever change then social perception i guess is still a powerful tool?
Look how long the "guy" picking up the check took to convert to dutch and even so that is not over-rated!
I personnally do not care who picks up the check as long as its not me, lol....
Julie you hear that when we go out, you're paying sorry.........