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Teachers are forcing me wear a suit and tie next week.

Started by Rachel Bellefountaine, February 25, 2010, 12:57:29 PM

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tekla

As it turns out there are lots, and lots, and lots of work environments in the real world that have dress codes, some formal (written) some informal, but still just as binding.  Business have formal codes, largely because they are paying you not to be yourself, but to represent them.
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Pippa

A dressy trouser suit and a smart silk blouse.   Wear your hair up and dangly earrings.   I would add a pair of stilettos!
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Rachel Bellefountaine

Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 27, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
I'm assuming this is a business class. Presenting a confident, conformist look is important in business probably more than anywhere else. So get over it. Or get on with your transition.

This might be a sign you're in the wrong field.

It's not a business program or a business class. I'm in media arts and this particular class is a creative cumulative project. I know this the career field for me, because I enjoy working with media and design and am also talented at what I do.

I can't really transition full time right now. I know that if I come out at school there is a good chance that I will be treated differently by not only my classmates but my professors as well. My plan is to go full time once I graduate and I am getting the laser therapy and voice therapy out of the way, while I wait for that wonderful day.

I already decided that I would go through with this ordeal, but try to make the best of it. I'm going to wear something cute on underneath and put on a bit of my jewelry on to at least keep a little bit of my personal dignity intact.







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zombiesarepeaceful

I would personally tell the teacher to screw herself and ask one of my teammates to do the presentation themselves. I wouldn't put up with that ->-bleeped-<-.
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YellowDaisy

as long as you are willing to do it, that's all that matters.
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Alyssa M.

I'd say there's a 100% chance that if you transition, you will be treated differently by people around you. ;) School is often one of the best places to do so. Also, getting a diploma in the correct name can save you some heartache. Conversely, waiting until you graduate can mean being stressed out more by, well, things like this. Of course, transitioning while in school causes other stresses.

I remember the last time I wore a suit, and it really sucked. I felt ridiculous, and I don't think it looked good at all, because I was just so ill at ease. You have my sympathy and best wishes. :)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Anne Selene

Well I must only say I feel sorry for you. I would NOT use suite nor necktie no matter what because I would just look funny in it and definably would not feel good. Having said that, I was told by some though to get a nice female business suit so I might go for something like this... but just need to loose some weight first.

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PanoramaIsland

Quote from: Kiera on February 25, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
Rachel, get a pinstripe suit - nothing says "masculine look" more than that!

Now *on sale* for $26.99! (you can always add a few buttons & the tie part I'm sure you can figure out on yer own!)

*signed*
Your Local Authority on Female CD'ing!

Oh ->-bleeped-<-e, I'm on the estrogens but I totally want a pinstripe suit! Am I violating the Sacred Secret Rules Of Being Trans?  ???
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tekla

That's OK, I want a real zoot suit so bad, and that's not a popular style for old white people like me, but I'm just El Pachuco at heart - old school.
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milktea

actually just to point out: girl in an oversized man's shirt looks cute if not hot. keyword here is *girl*.

so rachael if you are serious about this transition thingy (and not some teenage passing fancy) you got to prioritise and make plans, which means going to a therapist and if your doctor dictate hormones are on your no. 1 list, not punching earholes. and yes i would say school is a good place to transit, a lot better than when you're out at work...i mean, in a school you are paying them like a customer, and at work they're paying you to be their slave...sort of...

and on your voice training...there are plenty of materials on youtube and all you need is a recorder internet and some private space...so many girls here lament about their voice but all it takes is constant exercise and putting your mind on it!
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Rachel Bellefountaine

Quote from: milktea on February 28, 2010, 10:17:35 AM
actually just to point out: girl in an oversized man's shirt looks cute if not hot. keyword here is *girl*.

so rachael if you are serious about this transition thingy (and not some teenage passing fancy) you got to prioritise and make plans, which means going to a therapist and if your doctor dictate hormones are on your no. 1 list, not punching earholes. and yes i would say school is a good place to transit, a lot better than when you're out at work...i mean, in a school you are paying them like a customer, and at work they're paying you to be their slave...sort of...

and on your voice training...there are plenty of materials on youtube and all you need is a recorder internet and some private space...so many girls here lament about their voice but all it takes is constant exercise and putting your mind on it!

I'm currently on a waiting list for a therapist. In the mean time I'm working on what I can to make things run smoothly when I do go full time.

You aren't the first person who has said school would be the best place to come out and go full time and, believe me, I would love to go full time as soon as I can.   This is definitely  something to take into consideration, but not something I want to do without thought or planning. Do you have any advice on how to come out during school, should I consider going through with it?

I have actually developed a pretty fair female voice by doing what you just suggested. It does need more adjustment and practice but I am definitely on the right track there.






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kyril

Well, the basic first step would be to find the queer student center or support group on your campus and start attending. Familiar faces and a safe place to be yourself can help you feel less alone, and real-life people at your school can give you specific advice about how to handle the process there. If there's no such group, there's probably at least one person on your school's faculty who's taken on the responsibility for supporting/mentoring LGBTQ students - search your school's website for things like "queer," "Safe Space," "LGBT," and "GLBT" to see what comes up.

The next step depends - you can start the legal transition by changing your name and then just go in to the next term with your correct name and gender expression, or you can choose to come out to your professors and ask them to use your preferred name, and delay the name change until later (but it's something you want to do before graduating).

Coming out to your professors could seem intimidating ,but the truth is that of all the people who are important in your life, they're likely the easiest. They don't know you very well, they're not attached to you emotionally, they can't fire you, they run a serious risk of losing their job if they even look like they're discriminating against you, and they really have no stake in your gender identity one way or another. And they deal with far, far more touchy subjects on a daily basis...handling a cheater, or a kid whose mother keeps calling to demand better grades, or a student with an abusive spouse who won't let them leave the house to come to class, or a student hospitalized after being beaten coming out of a gay bar, or any of the other really distressing things professors deal with is going to be far more stressful than a simple change in how one student prefers to be addressed.


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milktea

are you talking in your fem voice 24/7? that's the best way really, and of cos consciously and constantly thinking up ways to improve it...
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tekla

the truth is that of all the people who are important in your life, they're likely the easiest

True that, and not even for the many reasons listed, it's largely because we just don't care.  And, I don't mean 'we don't mind,' I mean that we don't give a damn at all.  Not that we don't care about you (sort of we do, kinda, not really) but its more that given all the stuff going down, it seems like such a minor and trivial matter to the world at large.*

That why I'll kinda side with the proff here and the dress code - its sort of pretending, and playing dress up like a grown up2 and all that (I'm sure the teacher thinks of it as 'real life training in the world of work' and all that) - because it is the way it works in that real world deal.  Whenever I had students complain to me that college sucked and had nothing to do with the real world, I would remind them that, in fact, college sucking was excellent preparation for the real world, which they will find out, also sucks.

In reality, no one is ever going to hire you based on what you wear to the interview.  That being said, dressing wrong will assure you that you don't get hired.

One person's fashion, is just costume to everyone else.  'Twas ever thus.







*I've worked for well over a decade now (off and on) with a guy called Brian Warner.  Except he doesn't want to be called Brian - guess it's not evil enough, the minions of the almighty prince of darkness are not running around with names like 'brian'.  So he calls himself Marylin Manson. And, if you ever want to see the gates of hell open and all the anger of the gods poured out in rage and fury you don't need to buy his records, all you have to do is call him Brian.  He's so cute when he gets mad.  But, either way, what's it to me?


2 - Though if any student of mine had their mother calling me it damn well better be for some sort of sex hook-up.  'Cause if you still have your mom defending you, well, perhaps college is not the place for you to be.  You are not ready for the world of work, I doubt if you're ready for high school.  Cheaters on the other hand were easy, I failed them - flat F - as per my syllabus, and as I also said in the syllabus, I did my best to get your ass kicked out of the college.  It was kind of fun part of the job, like brutality is for a lot of cops.  I did give shelter to two different women at my house for the abuse deal, and helped a lot more without putting myself, my life, and my families life on the line.  And I never had a student beat up for coming out of a gay bar, not even in Iowa.  (Though I almost gave a few heart attacks when I saw them in there.) Though I had plenty spend the night in the free motel for a DIU, gay and straight. 
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Alyssa M.

I'm sure the teacher thinks of it as 'real life training in the world of work' and all that

Exactly. And depending on the field, it's likely pointless and a bit petty. In other words, fairly representative of the real world and par for the course for requirements of a college class.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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elementalincognitus

god im glad i went to school for anthropology...... weirdos are the norm, and the more removed from general society you are, the better anthropologist you make.  ok, well i was glad i did anthropology, until i graduated and couldnt get a job in it.  oh well, you win some battles, you lose some....
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Rachel Bellefountaine

Well, I showed them. I wore a cute formal top that I found in my closet, and did myself up nice and pretty and said my piece with confidence and dignity. And, though, I had more of the effeminate male look than 100% lady look I feel that this was a big step in my coming out and going full time. I've been giving it thought and I'm going to discuss with my coordinator about coming to school next semester as a woman. ^_^






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PanoramaIsland

Great job! That sounds like it was an awesome experience. Good on you for turning this into something empowering for yourself.  ;D
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