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Mothers (Ranting. . . again)

Started by Silver, March 10, 2010, 01:44:31 AM

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Silver

Of all family members, mothers seem the least likely to believe you. Well, if you're like me and didn't act atypical to your assigned sex until puberty. I mean, I was never a really girly girl or anything.

My mom says she does believe me, and she says it over and over because I seem not to believe her. She is frequently pointing out that I am quite hard-headed and need to keep an open mind. I believe I am, but she is simply not quite understanding. She thinks she does.

She tells me now quite frequently of her childhood and how, because of all of the work she did she was very strong. Stronger than all the guys. She grew up in a traditional Mexican family and so at some point, thought that it would be great to be a guy, get a girl and protect her and all that jazz that guys get to do. She was locked up all the time, not allowed to do anything. They (her parents) stopped her from playing soccer (which, at the time she was quite good at.) When the time came though, she just couldn't stand being with a woman. It disgusted her. And she thinks I am the same.

For me, I think it is not a question of privilege but a question of validation of how I think of myself. I see myself as a male, I would like others to as well. I want my body to conform with I expect it to be, not this horrible mutation that happened at puberty against my will. I often can't stand the sight of myself anymore as I grow more and more feminine. I see myself slipping away into something that is not me.

I resent being a "she." I am not a "girl" nor a "mommy" to my pets. I don't like my name, it's too girly. I just don't want to be stuck in this foreign mold, it feels so off and like I cannot be myself this way.

Meh, it's a bit irritating because not only does she not understand (which I do not expect anyone to) she thinks she understands. And that is a whole lot more irritating. She seems in denial. One day she pointed out a girly clothing shop (right about when I came out) and offered to go there with me. I replied with a "No, why would I want to do that? Haven't we gone over this?" and she looked at me and answered "Well, what if you change your mind?" Meh.

She also gives me these long, uncomfortable talks with the "you look like you're trying to look like a guy" and "you'll never really be a man." Yes, I'm aware of the limitations and no, they do not make me happy but it's much, much better than just letting things be. She seems to have it in her head that I want to go to a therapist so the therapist can "make me feel better" which is true, but not to talk me out of it like she thinks.

One day, lesbianism came up. "You see, I'm not a lesbian."
"You're right."
"Because lesbians are necessarily women."
"No, because I don't think you could be with a girl. It's gross. Do you really like them?"
"Yes, I said so already."

Meh, someday maybe she'll understand. Or maybe she won't, I just hope she stops thinking she does.

Slightly off-topic: Why can't Spanish have a gender neutral way to describe people? I'd be much more comfortable around her if it did.
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Cindy

Hi SilverFang

It is one of those tough ones. And this might sound rude and stupid, but you know me well. I think many transguys still have a 'feminine' relationships with their mothers. This sort of keeps spurring the mother on - Oh yes my little sweety will return and give me grand babies with a nice guy- Not realising that little sweety just does not identify in any way with that. In my experience, G-guys tend to move away from their mothers in their teens, with little contact for years. In fact after the tsunami in Indonesia a few years back, the Australian govt made a plea for guys travelling abroad to contact their families, because seemingly girls did but guys didn't let their families know they were alive.
I get the impression, and it may be wrong, that the communication between transmales and their mothers is more 'open' than that.
I also get the impression that transwomen tend to have a bad time with their fathers, with the old, "how can you give up your balls routine" but they also have split from their mothers. I think mothers of transwomen have the same feeling as their fathers, 'how can you give up being a male' never realising in any of these situations that the trans person isn't 'giving up' anything.

As you know, you cannot give up being female, you're a guy. But that is a terrible conflict for parents to get their head around.

Your mum may also'blame' herself. 'I gave the wrong role model out' I've had this sort of reply from Gay friends, "Dad blames himself for me being Gay, because he didn't spend enough time with me" It's total BS but people clutch at straws.

What to do? No idea. Sorry.

Don't know if I have helped or have fueled the pain. If the later I'm sorry :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug:

Cindy
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s1ncere

yea,i feel ya man.

my mom was exactly like that at 1st...but she is learning,stopped saying stupid things,and accepted it.
I eventually got to the point,were i got tired of people telling me how to live my life,who im supposed to be,etc. and i told her that i dont care what she thinks nemore and i that i wonna finally live my life happy.

I just started T...and its the best decision i ever made regardless of what people say.

try not to let these things get 2 u.if nething...it makes u stronger.i know its easy said then done...especially when its coming from ur mom.its hard.
but u will 1 day find the strength and live ur life the way u were supposed to live since day 1.

everything will fall into place bro.i hope things will get better for u soon.

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Carson

I would say try to explain to her that her "wanting to be male" had to do with the societal benefits that being male would get her, thats not why you are male, you "want to be male" because you already are, not because you like the "male lifestyle". And also try to reinforce that it has nothing to do with liking women.
Call me a cheat but I make my own fate.

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Lachlann

Sounds like she needs to understand the difference between orientation and gender identity.

My parents acted similarly on that front. It can get better.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Silver

Quote from: CindyJames on March 10, 2010, 02:29:44 AM
It is one of those tough ones. And this might sound rude and stupid, but you know me well. I think many transguys still have a 'feminine' relationships with their mothers. This sort of keeps spurring the mother on - Oh yes my little sweety will return and give me grand babies with a nice guy- Not realising that little sweety just does not identify in any way with that. In my experience, G-guys tend to move away from their mothers in their teens, with little contact for years. In fact after the tsunami in Indonesia a few years back, the Australian govt made a plea for guys travelling abroad to contact their families, because seemingly girls did but guys didn't let their families know they were alive.
I get the impression, and it may be wrong, that the communication between transmales and their mothers is more 'open' than that.
I also get the impression that transwomen tend to have a bad time with their fathers, with the old, "how can you give up your balls routine" but they also have split from their mothers. I think mothers of transwomen have the same feeling as their fathers, 'how can you give up being a male' never realising in any of these situations that the trans person isn't 'giving up' anything.

As you know, you cannot give up being female, you're a guy. But that is a terrible conflict for parents to get their head around.

Your mum may also'blame' herself. 'I gave the wrong role model out' I've had this sort of reply from Gay friends, "Dad blames himself for me being Gay, because he didn't spend enough time with me" It's total BS but people clutch at straws.

What to do? No idea. Sorry.

Don't know if I have helped or have fueled the pain. If the later I'm sorry :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug:

Cindy

Nope, no pain fueling or offense. I'm not so sure, I spend as little time around her as I can and I'm pretty cold but she still clings to me. It's not a very good relationship. I'm closer with my father, she's just a bit too crazy for my tastes. I think she may think it's her fault in some way though.

I really can't say I don't care though, or reject her at all because I'm a minor and the bottom line is that it's their call whether or not I can start transition now.

Quote from: Carson on March 10, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
I would say try to explain to her that her "wanting to be male" had to do with the societal benefits that being male would get her, thats not why you are male, you "want to be male" because you already are, not because you like the "male lifestyle". And also try to reinforce that it has nothing to do with liking women.

I have. It does have a little to do with liking women though, because I do and I don't want to be a woman to them.

Quote from: Lachlann on March 10, 2010, 10:21:56 AM
Sounds like she needs to understand the difference between orientation and gender identity.

My parents acted similarly on that front. It can get better.

It would probably be easier for her to stomach me being a straight (or bisexual male) than being a gay male. Why not stay a woman? I hope it will get better with her, at least everyone else has been great. Really grateful for that.

My mom's a housewife, with nothing to do but talk to me all day, watch TV and exaggerate any social issues she might have. No friends, not much in the way of hobbies and I'm expecting some great big deal she'll make of all this. She's eerily calm about it.

Thanks for the replies all.
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dtt47

Quote from: Lachlann on March 10, 2010, 10:21:56 AM
Sounds like she needs to understand the difference between orientation and gender identity.
I tried to explain this to my mother but sometimes it seems people just don't have the vocabulary/experience to understand it. Also she believes firmly in a binary gender that includes freedom to be yourself, and I can't even figure out how that works. I feel like we don't even speak the same language on this topic because neither of us can explain what we believe enough for the other to understand.
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Radar

Quote from: SilverFang on March 10, 2010, 01:44:31 AMShe also gives me these long, uncomfortable talks with the... "you'll never really be a man."

Don't ever, ever let someone believe this. You are a man, even if not physically. You do not want to become a man- you are one. And, if you decide to physically transition you do it to match your true self. You're a man mentally and inside, and that's where it's the most important. Don't think it's just about genitalia.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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Myself

I posted an article somewhere about the organs printer and how they expect to create full hearts, kidnseys and livers soon. Why not lower external parts then?

Other than that, your photos look so man I can't see how you might pass as a girl, makes me thinks what's wrong with you when you always say how you can't be a real man.

Besides, I also posted a research how taking hormones shows on brain CT that the structure (even the little things!!!) just turns to fit the hormones taken (male or female). My cousin is a neurobiologist and I showed it to him he said he knows quite a bit about the subject (but just on the female to make part) because in his university they did a lot of research regarding giving women testosterone.

So what is it? what stops you been a real man?
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Silver

Quote from: Myself on March 11, 2010, 03:23:47 PM
I posted an article somewhere about the organs printer and how they expect to create full hearts, kidnseys and livers soon. Why not lower external parts then?

Other than that, your photos look so man I can't see how you might pass as a girl, makes me thinks what's wrong with you when you always say how you can't be a real man.

Besides, I also posted a research how taking hormones shows on brain CT that the structure (even the little things!!!) just turns to fit the hormones taken (male or female). My cousin is a neurobiologist and I showed it to him he said he knows quite a bit about the subject (but just on the female to make part) because in his university they did a lot of research regarding giving women testosterone.

So what is it? what stops you been a real man?

Well thank you, mostly what bothers me is her denial and the way she insists on my "femaleness." I don't think she knows the situation of medical technology and penises, but hopefully it doesn't really come up. She has some explanation of why I'm not a man that she's been meaning to give me, but I've been avoiding it. Yes, I have in fact considered the implications of this situation before I came out.

Well, today the insurance gets approved and I can find myself a therapist. Er, try to find myself a nearby therapist  :icon_woowoo: So I think I'm on my way there now. She's just. . . an unpredictable force. A powerful unpredictable force and it worries me. Luckily, my father is supportive. And not so arrogant like she is, either.
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TheOtherSide

I just found out form my uncle that my mom and my aunt are planning on flying to Boston where I'm currently going to school to bring me a statue of the virgin mary and pray for me to get the demons out of me!

WTF?!?!?!


2012 is so real. Weird ->-bleeped-<- is happening to everyone.

There is a good force and a bad force.... it sounds crazy but we are literally in a star wars type of existence. Everything that hidden is real. The soul is reality... absolutely everything is an illusion.

This is insane!!! I love how real it feels but it hurts


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