Susan Stanton - "We don't want abnormals"

[Julie Marie]

The CNN Special, "Her Name Is Steve" is on today, several times.  We watched the first show which was on at 7CST.  Once she came out the city council of Largo, FL voted her out.  When she appealed several people came up to the podium and stated their opinions to the council.  One tooth-challenged old geezer came up and read from a piece of paper he apparently prepared.

"We don't want abnormals" he said when talking about Stanton.  This guy could barely read his own writing and had difficulty reading out loud what he had obviously scratched on a torn off piece of legal paper.

Yeah, that's who I want making human rights decisions for this country, toothless, illiterate and ignorant.  You would have thought the survival of the fittest law would have weeded this guy out long ago.  Guess he slipped through the cracks.

Another phobe, some slick looking minister/preacher type, said, "If Jesus were here today, he would fire Mr. Stanton!"  Then he went on to say he knows a lot about what Jesus said.  Maybe they were fishing buddies.

I'm no expert on what Jesus said but I do remember something about acceptance and love.  This Falwell wannabee knew nothing about that kind of stuff.

Juliekins watched pretty much the whole show.  I went down to the workshop and sliced and diced some more wood.  I get a lot more satisfaction working on my jewelry chest than listening to "abnormals".

[Janet_Girl]

I watched it and after these comments, something that I heard some where went thru my mind.  "The greatest sin is to claim to know the mind of God". 

It is no wonder that she lost her job, Largo FL sounds like a very trans/homophobic place to live.  With the counsel and the people who commented.  And I know that is judgmental but they were the ones saying those thing.

And I wonder if the doctor that did her SRS is the one Flan is going to?

[Flan]

And I wonder if the doctor that did her SRS is the one Flan is going to?

If only Dr. Reed had a full head of hair.
It's Dr. Meltzer (I remember the mustachio and the architecture of the building he works in)

[Cindy]

Sorry about this.

You can prove that a god doesn't exist. You cannot prove that one, or several, do. Therefore knowing the mind of god is illiterate and against any kind of logic. (Removed personal attack. *whap*). Therefore people who preach or base their opinion on god are basing their opinions on myth and conjecture. I have no problems with people who wish to have 'faith' and hold hands and sing etc and undergo the rituals of their life. But that that is what it is; ritual and costumes.

I realize I am out of step for many people. I do not wish to be offensive. But these cretins are allowed to be offensive to me. They justify my lack of rights to a god (see above who doesn't exist) who in their belief allows them to dominate my social and private life. I'm abnormal: because I do not believe in fantasy, I do believe in love, I do believe in helping those who cannot help themselves. I have a total belief in humanity. 
Sorry I've probably crossed boundaries that Mods should not. I have tried to be quiet but I am close to erupting.  Susan,I apologize but I wish to post this.

In can be subject to the normal rules


Cindy

Susan: I removed one sentence that crossed the lines. The rest of it was perfectly fine.

[LordKAT]

read his own writing and had difficulty reading

some how I always thought illiterate meant unable to read or write

[spacial]

Sorry about this.

You can prove that a god doesn't exist.
Cindy

How will you do that?

[rejennyrated]

Cindy I hear and share your pain. <<<<HUGS>>>>

I too have been terribly hurt and offended by organaised religion on many occasions.

However I have to say that as you are undoubtedly a very good scientist I imagine you would agree that it is a fundamental axiom of science that proving a negative is actually just about impossible.

That's precisely why we get so many silly scares, because ordinary folks can't get it into their heads that when a scientist says they "can't rule something out," they don't mean "It's true but i'm not going to admit it!" They just mean that in science you can only prove things that you have directly observed, and as time progresses there is always the possibility that the only reason you have NOT observed something is that you weren't looking in the right place! So someone, at a later time, looking in another spot, may find the missing evidence.

That said I don't believe in the judgemental and cruel God that these folks preach either. Not because there is anything wrong with the concept of God per-se! But because their God is far too small, parochial and sadistic, and obviously fashioned in their own twisted and limited image.

Please don't let them get to you Girl - you are a bigger and better person than that!

Love and hugs

Jenny.

[Julie Marie]

I do not wish to be offensive. But these cretins are allowed to be offensive to me.

And that's what they too often fail to see.  Personally, I believe they are so absorbed in forcing their agenda on people that they can't see how wrong it is.  I also believe they have an intense fear that they will lose what they have if they perpetuate anything except absolute rigidity.

I watched it and after these comments, something that I heard some where went thru my mind.  "The greatest sin is to claim to know the mind of God".

I know many who read this will say I'm going to hell but we can only prove Jesus was a man, not God nor the son of God.  So these people who proclaim to know what Jesus would do are doing nothing more than saying they know what some person who lived in the past would have done given similar circumstances.

But no matter how you look at it, there's a lot of these types of people out there.  The followers follow blindly and are told not to question.  The leaders (many of the most vocal and well known anyway) are sitting there getting rich.  (If money is the root of all evil, why do they need so much of it?)  As long as people live in fear of that which they do not know, we will have sheep out there looking for a shepard.  And many of these shepards are nothing more than predators.

some how I always thought illiterate meant unable to read or write

I think you know what I meant.

[LordKAT]

I think you know what I meant.

Ye I think so.

[spacial]

There are people in the world who will use and manipulate anything to attract attention and power.

We have seen this in recent years with Islam. Most Muslims are throughly decent and honest people, but some are manipulating texts for their own ends.

This has also been a constant feature in the history of the west. It cause the reformation, when Popes began to sell indulgences.

The teachings of Jesus and Muhammad and others are quite clear. They don't justify any of the disgusting and evil behaviours we see in these politically motivated idiots such as Bush, Blair and the fundimentalists.

But the attemps by so called scientists, to claim that their science can prove subjective notions, however well meaning, are just sinking to the same level.

In another thread, a NASA scientist has done just this.

When you combine the apparent certainty of science with the notional certainties of belief, then you can only get Nazism.

I don't believe that that is what Cindy, Prof Dawkins or any other of these misguided scientists really want.

[Flan]

the real problem with religious kooks is that they interpret religious texts to suit their own hate and blame the deity or another outside entity (or the texts themselves) for their behavior.

as far as proving or disproving the existence of a deity, that's a zero sum game, as usually the best evidence either side has is faith, which leads to such banter as "yes he does", "no he doesn't", "you're going to hell", "you're stupid"... ect.

[gennee]

The bible says that we should study to show ourselves approved. In my nearly 40 years of salvation I'm still studying and learning. With all the negative vitriol against LGBT people I studied scripture with a new revelation. Being transgender myself I needed to know.

We have every right to live our lives in peace. Nowhere in scripture does it say that we are an abomination. If anyone's an abomination its those zealots who use the bible and religion to justify their prejudice. I wished I was in that meeting because I would turn the place out. I'm a Christian and I'm tired of people using religion and God to marginalized a group of people.

Gennee  

[Dorothy]

Maybe just once we could have a transsexual narrative of somebody who transitions early & not when they're 40, 50 or 60. 

Maybe just once we could have a transsexual narrative of somebody that wasn't a "cross-dresser" or a "transvestite" (Stanton's own words) before magically discovering one rainy Thursday that they were in fact transsexual.

Maybe just once we could have a transsexual narrative where actual medical professionals educate about transsexualism.

Maybe just once we could have a transsexual narrative where the words "transvestite" or "cross-dresser" aren't used instead of transsexual.

Maybe just once we could have a transsexual narrative where everybody in the room is considerably young & not middle aged people.

Maybe just once.

[Dana Lane]

Sorry about this.

You can prove that a god doesn't exist. You cannot prove that one, or several, do. Therefore knowing the mind of god is illiterate and against any kind of logic. (Removed personal attack. *whap*). Therefore people who preach or base their opinion on god are basing their opinions on myth and conjecture. I have no problems with people who wish to have 'faith' and hold hands and sing etc and undergo the rituals of their life. But that that is what it is; ritual and costumes.

I realize I am out of step for many people. I do not wish to be offensive. But these cretins are allowed to be offensive to me. They justify my lack of rights to a god (see above who doesn't exist) who in their belief allows them to dominate my social and private life. I'm abnormal: because I do not believe in fantasy, I do believe in love, I do believe in helping those who cannot help themselves. I have a total belief in humanity. 
Sorry I've probably crossed boundaries that Mods should not. I have tried to be quiet but I am close to erupting.  Susan,I apologize but I wish to post this.

In can be subject to the normal rules


Cindy

Susan: I removed one sentence that crossed the lines. The rest of it was perfectly fine.

It is very difficult to live in a xtian world. I am an atheist, myself. It hit me like a ton of bricks one day. Nothing in the bible made sense in the real world. There is just too much physical evidence there. And the incredibly imperfect things that happened in the bible. Incest, rape (and being forced to marry your attacker), killing of children for talking back, angry god, jealous god. On and on and on. And we are being controlled by this nonsense. Sorry, I get a little worked up sometimes.

hugs to everyone no matter what!

[spacial]

I use to think like that.

Then I realised that most of the Old Testament is invalid for Christians.

After, evenrthing made perfect sense.

[justmeinoz]

I have just gone through the New Testament looking up direct quotes by Jesus, which basically covers Matthew, Mark, Luke and John' Gospels.
I really couldn't find any direct references to Transsexuality anywhere, or homosexuality either. There were however lots of references to hypocritical religious leaders.

[Suzy]

Yeah I saw what he said.  As a Christian this upset me very badly.  He may be from some tradition that teaches that, but he did not get it either from scripture or from the example of the life of Jesus.  I truly believe Jesus wept to hear such filth being proclaimed in his name.

Kristi

[Julie Marie]

"Beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

I've long contended that those preachers/ministers/priests/etc who discourage acceptance and preach religious superiority are the wolves in sheep's clothing.

They should have added beware of the silver tongue. 

[gennee]

You're right, Julie. There's a lot of 'cultural Christianity' out there. If anyone is not like them or don't believe the way that they do, they say that you're wrong. These people drive others from the church and Jesus by their actions.

Gennee

[PanoramaIsland]

Just for the record, no credible atheist intellectual believes that the nonexistence of God(s) can be proven. Nobody - not even Richard Dawkins.