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Started by Tammy Hope, March 19, 2010, 12:29:30 AM

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Tammy Hope

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Here's my question - before getting to the point of HRT (for whatever reason) did you use anything that in your opinion helped with any aspect of feminization?

I'm thinking especially of something here I could use ostensibly for innocent reasons in the mean time while I'm waiting for the opportunity to start HRT...

Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Ellieka

For me I didn't look to much into things like herbal remedies but rather I worked on learning makeup and hair tricks. But perhaps the biggest thing that helped me was dropping form 208 lbs down to 160. I was amazed at how much it femmed me up. I didn't exercise to build muscle but just to loose weight and my body femmed up quite a lot.
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rejennyrated

Well, in theory phyto-estrogens are in Soya, Red clover etc. As to whether they would make any difference on their own I'm not convinced as they are fairly weak in their potency.

But spearmint tea does have a surprisingly powerful and medically proven anti androgenic effect, to the point where in the UK, some medical practicioners are now actually recommending it for women who have problems with excess body hair.

Postop my partner had body hair concerns for many years. In recent years we have both been drinking delicious spearmint tea and that has now vanished completely.

So I guess it is possible that a combination of soya supplement and spearmint tea might help you...
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Tammy Hope

I've seen that recommendation from you before but for some reason I had convinced myself it was too expensive.

Doesn't seem to be though...


I'm working, sporadically, on the weight thing. Being on the road constantly for this job has made it a lot harder to avoid the temptation for something "un-diet-friendly" that is convenient.
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Ellieka

I totally understand that. LOL! Please don't think I was criticizing you though. Thats not what I meant at all. I've still got 30 lbs myself that I need to drop.
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Seshatneferw

I started with finasteride for hair loss, which I got changed to dutasteride last autumn (after convincing my physician that going to the bathroom is easier nowadays, too). From the point of view of my mental well-being the main benefit is that I've grown a small but still noticeable pair of breasts, and while I've lost weight overall my bum is a little bigger than it used to be. The point here is that both of these prevent testosterone from becoming dihydrotestosterone (which is an even more potent androgen), and some of it will turn into oestrogen instead.

A year or so ago I added soy to my daily regimen, in the form of pills marketed for menopausal women. At that time it seemed that they made me feel more energetic and also perhaps increased my libido a bit. I'm not sure about that, though, so a week ago I decided to drop those for a while to see what happens -- if it turns out that taking phyto-oestrogens really makes a difference, perhaps it's time to start thinking about the real thing. As of now, either I'm getting a cold or this experiment is indeed making me a little more tired than usual. Also, my little boobies are hurting, which is a bit surprising as it feels just about the same as a growth spurt.

Anyway, the soy derivatives don't really sound like something an innocent man would use. Medication used for prostate problems and male-pattern hair loss, on the other hand, is about as manly as it gets, there's even a warning to keep the pills out of contact with any women who are or may become pregnant. ;) Of course, it's an entirely different matter whether you can convince both yourself and your doctor that it would be useful to you.
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Janet_Girl

I began with Black Cohosh and Wild Yams, just because they were inexpensive.  I then switch to those OTC remedies for Menopause.  The results were more mental than anything.

Also did the Flat to Fem thing, but I got lazy.

Finally I got on to HR and I am a lot happier.  But the thing that help the most was my Orchie.

And I am trying to find the spearmint tea.  There is an herbal shop up the road that I have not checked yet.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 19, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
And I am trying to find the spearmint tea.  There is an herbal shop up the road that I have not checked yet.
If you can't find it anywhere else cheaper you can get it on Amazon.com Janet. But in the Uk they sell it in Walmart.

Or best of all you can just grow some spearmint in a pot and crush the leaves in boiling water.
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Stella Blue

Being pre-HRT to try and get more feminizing effects I have been drinking Soy Milk and Spearmint Tea, and changing my diet in general and exercise routine to get rid of my muscle bulk. A few months have made quite a difference in my upperbody size and appearance... so I will keep this up til I can add hormones to it.
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Rock_chick

Quote from: rejennyrated on March 19, 2010, 06:19:22 AM
But spearmint tea does have a surprisingly powerful and medically proven anti androgenic effect, to the point where in the UK, some medical practicioners are now actually recommending it for women who have problems with excess body hair.

I can so see a bulk order of spearmint tea in my immediate future.

Thanks for the tip jenny
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MissLiliana

So how much spearmint tea are you supposed to have a day?... Like 1 cup? or a large amount like 5+ cups a day
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rejennyrated

I can't recall the exact consumption which was used in the medical trial but I think it was of the order of two or three cups a day. In any case you should never consume too much of anything, even tea, so keep your intake sensible.

(I hope that doesn't contravene any rule on dosages as we are talking herbal TEA here and not hormones - if it does then please can some mod just edit this and accept my apologies)

What was interesting was that the tea worked as a free testosterone scavenger in the blood - that is, it didn't alter production, but it removed testosterone already produced from the blood, thereby lowering significantly the free T levels. It might therefore have beneficial effects not only against body hair, but also for anyone fighting Male pattern baldness, as by removing free testosterone it should in theory lower DHT levels and thereby reduce the level of damage caused to the follicles.

However one caution here, as all the triallists were female and normal (postop) female ranges are a lot lower than male ranges it remains unproven how effective it would be for anyone who still has male dangly bits attached. It will undoubtedly have some effect... but the question is how much.
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Rock_chick

If it even fractionally reduces my hated chewbacca cheeks, I will be very happy girl indeed.
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Janet_Girl

Quote from: rejennyrated on March 19, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
I can't recall the exact consumption which was used in the medical trial but I think it was of the order of two or three cups a day. In any case you should never consume too much of anything, even tea, so keep your intake sensible.

(I hope that doesn't contravene any rule on dosages as we are talking herbal TEA here and not hormones - if it does then please can some mod just edit this and accept my apologies)

What was interesting was that the tea worked as a free testosterone scavenger in the blood - that is, it didn't alter production, but it removed testosterone already produced from the blood, thereby lowering significantly the free T levels. It might therefore have beneficial effects not only against body hair, but also for anyone fighting Male pattern baldness, as by removing free testosterone it should in theory lower DHT levels and thereby reduce the level of damage caused to the follicles.

However one caution here, as all the triallists were female and normal (postop) female ranges are a lot lower than male ranges it remains unproven how effective it would be for anyone who still has male dangly bits attached. It will undoubtedly have some effect... but the question is how much.

No more so than talking about coffee or soy milk's effect on the body.  After all it is just tea.
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JillEclipse

I drink soy milk. If anything, it is a great placebo.
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Stella Blue

Quote from: rejennyrated on March 19, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
I can't recall the exact consumption which was used in the medical trial but I think it was of the order of two or three cups a day. In any case you should never consume too much of anything, even tea, so keep your intake sensible.

(I hope that doesn't contravene any rule on dosages as we are talking herbal TEA here and not hormones - if it does then please can some mod just edit this and accept my apologies)

What was interesting was that the tea worked as a free testosterone scavenger in the blood - that is, it didn't alter production, but it removed testosterone already produced from the blood, thereby lowering significantly the free T levels. It might therefore have beneficial effects not only against body hair, but also for anyone fighting Male pattern baldness, as by removing free testosterone it should in theory lower DHT levels and thereby reduce the level of damage caused to the follicles.

However one caution here, as all the triallists were female and normal (postop) female ranges are a lot lower than male ranges it remains unproven how effective it would be for anyone who still has male dangly bits attached. It will undoubtedly have some effect... but the question is how much.

I am not sure if the small effects I've noticed are real or placebo... it seeems at least I get a bit slower regrowth of hair.. instead of shaving my face everyday I go to 2-3 before I absolutely HAVE to shave. I also noticed slower regrowth on arms and body...again don't know if it is real or just me thinking it is doing anything. I suppose the slimming down and less muscle could be attributed a bit to that and my diet but mostly my newer exercise routines. I do have to give you credit though because I had forgotten to before... because it was your thread a little while back that got me to go get the spearmint tea and give it a shot. Oh well though if that and the soy milk are really not doing anything for me though at least I can say I enjoy them and they are good for me regardless.
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rejennyrated

It absolutely will NOT do anything for facial hair. As all transwomen know to their cost the only way to remove that is via electolysis.

Tea and soya would only ever be able to effect the same sort of metabolic effects as hormones would have, and then in a rather slower and more gentle way.

So it will indeed only affect body hair and perhaps body mass fat distribution and muscle development.

In other words it may feminise your appearance but it can't reverse masculinisation that has already happened.
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Rock_chick

*sigh*

At least I've got my tweezers
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Rock_chick on March 20, 2010, 03:57:58 PM
*sigh*

At least I've got my tweezers
Well to be fair even HRT won't change facial hair. You'll have to get electrolysis if you want to "pass". It's pretty well one of the entirely non optional parts of the MtF experience.

When ever someone comes to me for advice prior to transition I always tell them to start the electrolysis as soon as possible, if they are sure about transition then if possible even before they start their counseling. Because ultimately it will be the speed of progress with electro that will determine how long it takes before you can transition fully and have any chance of fitting in as a female.

Unless you are lucky, like me, and are partially androgen insensitive you can expect the removal of your facial hair to take anything up to two years. But sadly to suceed it's something you just HAVE to do.
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Rock_chick

I was already starting to look into options, because being fair skinned and dark haired i know it's going to be an issue. Guess this is why they invented overtime.
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