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Pre-transition update: pastor meeting and other things

Started by Nemo, March 02, 2010, 06:11:22 PM

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cynthialee

Quote from: Nemo on March 09, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Thanks - I'll hold that for tomorrow, 'cause I didn't get to see him on Sunday. Instead I got an email today, saying they'd both like to see me.

I wanted to say this, though:

We had a licencing service tonight, to welcome our new minister into the church. There was a part of the sermon that really hit home, and it feels like a prayer's been answered - I'd prayed that if God was the one leading me through this change, that He make it known in no uncertain terms. He did that tonight when the Bishop said "Relinquish all you have made for yourself, and accept what God has made for you." That, accompanied by talk of willing to change and be reborn as God wants you to be, moved me almost to tears.

I made my excuses after coffee after a while and went home, straight to my room where I tugged off my clothes and slipped into these new black jeans that arrived yesterday. Yes I'm packing (socks), yes I'm binding (as far as I can in this swimsuit, 'cause it doesn't do too well), and it feels great. I am so going out like this tomorrow, I don't care what others think anymore; if I don't dress and go out properly soon, I'll go nuts!
Best of luck.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Suzy

This is a wonderful story and it sounds like you are well on your way.  I really appreciate your sharing with us!  Please tell us what your pastor says.  I will be very interested.

Hugs!

Kristi
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Flameboy

Quote from: Nemo on March 04, 2010, 03:02:35 PM
I would like to ask some advice though, while I'm here - I've been reading through this page, and was dismayed to find it can take nearly a year before I get to see a gender therapist. My inner male is crying "I can't wait that long!" Is it common to start transitioning (i.e. dressing and otherwise living as alternate gender) while waiting? Starting slowly, obviously - no way am I ready to do that at work (let alone church) just yet, I'd rather wait 'til the hormones kick in for that - but as in going out to places where I'm not known, as a male? Is that a good idea to start doing that? My mind's already far ahead, imagining life as Sam... :-\
In the UK, yes, it's pretty much expected that you'll start living as male before you start on T, and generally before you get to the GIC (Gender Identity Clinic). In fact, if you're attending Charing Cross (CX), you're unlikely to be prescribed T unless you've changed your name legally, and are living as male. As far as transitioning at work is concerned, in the UK you're completely covered by employment laws and cannot be discriminated against. Personally, I transitioned at work whilst waiting for my first appointment, with no problems at all.

A good place to start would be by going to a local trans support group. You'll meet lots of people at all stages of transition there, and you'll have no problems turning up as male and using a male name there.
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Nemo

Quote from: Flameboy on March 11, 2010, 04:50:52 PM
In the UK, yes, it's pretty much expected that you'll start living as male before you start on T, and generally before you get to the GIC (Gender Identity Clinic). In fact, if you're attending Charing Cross (CX), you're unlikely to be prescribed T unless you've changed your name legally, and are living as male. As far as transitioning at work is concerned, in the UK you're completely covered by employment laws and cannot be discriminated against. Personally, I transitioned at work whilst waiting for my first appointment, with no problems at all.

A good place to start would be by going to a local trans support group. You'll meet lots of people at all stages of transition there, and you'll have no problems turning up as male and using a male name there.

Okay, first off, I'm nowhere near CX - I live in Leeds, where it's harder to find a local support group. Unless I'm looking in the wrong place(s), of course. But anyway, thanks for the reply, it was very helpful. My boss is actually on holiday next week, so it'll be less nerve-wracking - well, there are still others in the building that I'll run into, but that happens less often. But I have my gel/condom packer now! No more putting up with uncomfortable socks! ;D My swimsuit arrived today too - not overly happy with the results, but it's better than what I had - will post comparison pics over the weekend.

Got a call from the doc today, too - she can't refer me straight to GIC, but she mentioned mental health department or something like that, who'll be the one deciding if I should go on to gender therapy. How long this'll all take I don't know, but I suspect I'll actually have quite some time to transition. My only concern now is, I need extra part-time work and they'll need ID. Hmm...

Quote from: Kristi on March 09, 2010, 06:50:22 PM
This is a wonderful story and it sounds like you are well on your way.  I really appreciate your sharing with us!  Please tell us what your pastor says.  I will be very interested.

Hugs!

Aaww, thanks :) Okay, what actually happened was, Wednesday was a very long, emotionally draining day. The early afternoon workshop was fine. Had a review which lead to my going straight on to church. Meeting with pastors went on for about an hour and a half, I had just enough time after that to go home, switch bags and go straight back there again for the next Alpha session. (I don't know how many of you have heard of the Alpha course, but there's a link here if you want to check it out.) I'd offered to help out on the courses run at our centre, since it was at one such course I began to follow Jesus.

What happened with the pastors:

I got a lot more emotional than I was expecting to, probably because I was talking about other things that had happened before. I'd mentioned them to give them more of an idea about clues while I was growing up, although Jonathan (who did most of the talking) seemed to think this trans "idea" had only cropped up when I was low. I soon put him right when I explained that one such time was during my first year at Uni in Leeds, where I was pretty happy. I also told him that I'd only mentioned the bullying at school for the whole "she's different" thing that I was explaining to folks in the chat room the previous night, and a lot of others were saying that's what happens with trans people. He didn't claim to be an expert, and proved his point as he spoke about sexuality and talking about the world thinking sex is the be all and end all, when it isn't. He seems to think it's about sex - I mentioned my previous relationships feeling wrong just to help explain what I'm going through - and was also concerned about the voices I've been listening to as "this idea came to me", whereupon I'd had to tell/remind him that this wasn't something new, I hadn't come to this decision lightly, it'd been there for a long time and had surfaced before in different ways.

On the plus side, he spoke about sexuality (bear with him here) being a spectrum. I just looked at him and said "Thank you!" He'd also said he's aware that a small number of people are born really feeling that they don't belong in the body they're born into. He reminded me God loved me no matter what, and that I would still be welcome in the church. He also asked - not just said he was concerned, but asked - what voices I was listening to, so I told him I believed I was listening to God. I pointed out that He had in mind to not only bring me to the life of wholeness that He'd promised, but also to tackle the other issues I had as I transitioned - I have limb problems for example, and I'm starting to wonder if it's a hormonal problem since the docs couldn't figure out what's wrong. I also explained that He could be using everything I've gone through and will be going through to help me to help others. Jonathan replied with "Well, He may be asking you to tackle this problem; I'm not suggesting for one moment that He isn't, or saying to you 'Don't even think about it'." They both prayed with me afterwards, Joanna still asked me afterwards if I was coming to Alpha later on. Meaning she still wanted me at Alpha. And I'm still on Prayer Ministry - I'm rotaed for this Sunday, in fact.

My housemate was waiting for me when I went home to change bags, which was nice. He asked me how it went, we had a little chat before he left and I followed his trail to church. I was out of it for a good portion of Alpha simply because I'd had no time to recover, although I was still able to contribute. It's been a couple of days now; I've caught up on my rest, I got that call back from the doctor's to say she'd refer me to someone, my head is clearer. I have to say, that talk went pretty damn amazing considering what was discussed - it certainly could have gone a lot worse.

Thanks for your support guys, you've been great :)


New blog in progress - when I conquer my writer's block :P
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Suzy

Sounds like it went really well for you.  You have to do some educating of your pastors, but they are obviously very open to you and trying hard to listen and learn and ask good questions.  And it is so very cool that they still want you in leadership in Alpha.  As a trained Alpha leader I know that this means a lot.  It means that despite everything they still believe in you as a person and respect your faith highly.

Thanks so very much for the update.  Glad to hear things are going well!

Kristi
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Nemo

Thank you for the interest ;) And yeah, the very reason I wanted to help on Alpha so much was because of what it had done for me, and that I'd started in the same position a lot of other people are when they start. In fact this guy on my table was asking about how long I'd been a Christian, etc. When I told him I'd started going to church halfway through Alpha, and that I was sceptical beforehand, he said how encouraging it was and how I was perfect for this role :) The fact that I'm still there and still on prayer ministry is just awesome.

It's not just my vicars I need to educate though (kinda expected this to be the case, really); I had a long chat with my mum a few hours ago. Brought it up by reminding her of that talk we had when I was still living with her - "You remember how you asked if I was really happy being a woman? Well, it's taken me this long to realise the answer's no." She did admit to being a little shocked, but otherwise it was more the warning me about how big a decision this is, that I'll face a lot of stick from people - "I get that anyway for being bi", and things like that. She said she'd watched documentaries on this subject before, she has a good idea what's involved and I filled in the gaps, and I inherited her sense of empathy so she was very understanding about the whole thing. Like Jonathan though, she kept getting sexuality and gender muddled; she kept bringing up my being bi, and I kept saying "That has nothing to do with this; I'm not confused about that anymore, it's my gender I have issues with." But in the main - yeah, I'm incredibly lucky so far. She can't understand how parents can disown/kick out their kids for it any more than I can :-\


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Flameboy

Quote from: Nemo on March 12, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
Okay, first off, I'm nowhere near CX - I live in Leeds, where it's harder to find a local support group. Unless I'm looking in the wrong place(s), of course. But anyway, thanks for the reply, it was very helpful. My boss is actually on holiday next week, so it'll be less nerve-wracking - well, there are still others in the building that I'll run into, but that happens less often. But I have my gel/condom packer now! No more putting up with uncomfortable socks! ;D My swimsuit arrived today too - not overly happy with the results, but it's better than what I had - will post comparison pics over the weekend.

Got a call from the doc today, too - she can't refer me straight to GIC, but she mentioned mental health department or something like that, who'll be the one deciding if I should go on to gender therapy. How long this'll all take I don't know, but I suspect I'll actually have quite some time to transition. My only concern now is, I need extra part-time work and they'll need ID. Hmm...

Sorry, only just caught up with this. Re my comment about CX, people from all over the country are sent to CX - I'm based in Manchester and have to go there - it all depends on where your PCT has their contract. having said that, if you're actually in Leeds, I'm pretty sure you'll be sent to the Leeds clinic!

There's a trans support group in Leeds called Switch which is run by Mesmac - I'm sure you can find details of that if you google - or message me and I'll give you the link if you're having trouble. I think it's mixed MTF/FTM, though how many trans guys actually go I've no idea. Still, it might be somewhere to start. There's also T-boys, which you already know about I think - they meet in various venues in Yorkshire. The next meeting's this Saturday (20th March) in Sheffield if you can hop on a train - I'll be going to that one. Of course, if you're willing to travel, you can always come over to  Manchester where we also have a bunch of stuff going on!

As far as referrals are concerned, I've no idea what the waiting list times are in Leeds at the moment. It has a bit of a bad reputation for keeping people waiting for years rather than months, but they're apparently now getting it sorted out and have a more reasonable waiting time. If I get a chance I'll ask around on Saturday and see if anyone knows the current state of play.

When it comes to ID, it's really easy in the UK to change your name - so if you know what name you want to be called, you can just go for it! Then you'll at least have ID in the correct name - and a driving license doesn't have an obvious gender marker on it anyway (it is there, it's just that it's coded into digits so unless you know what you're looking for you wouldn't spot it).
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Nemo

Wow, you're so helpful with all this info! ;D I didn't realise people from all over got sent there - I just hope they do keep me in Leeds for this, 'cause all that train fare can get expensive.

Yeah, you did update me on T-boys - I'm on their mailing list now. Might see you up there then, provided I get paid for my guitar before Saturday, otherwise I'll have to cancel - I literally have no other money for now :-\

Ugh.. I hope they have got their act together. To complicate matters though, I also have a physical condition that I'm certain now is hormone-related - have another appointment with my GP next Thursday, where I'll be asking for proper hormone tests. I may (also) have PCOS after all, so that's something else I need to mention. Whether that'll have any effect on the GID side of things I don't know, but it's something else to sort out.

Ah yes, ID - can I really just change the name and gender on my driving licence so soon? Bearing in mind that it does say "Miss" and has a photo of me with long hair, which I'd have to renew and get someone to counter-sign, most likely... although that may be where supportive vicars can come in handy... *walks off thinking*


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Al James

If you've got a doctor who is willling then they can write you a letter for the passport agenc and driving liceence stating that you are under initial assessment for gender reassignment and if continued the change will be permanent. all you need to go with that is a statutory name change declaration. When you write to dvla specifically ask them to cha=nge your gender marker cos even tho u cant see it its there. I did all of this in January and didnt see my psychiatrist til March
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Nemo

Wow, that's really helpful. Thanks Al :)

I have an appointment with the GP for something else in a couple of weeks, but I'll mention that too.


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