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Started by Ryan, April 12, 2010, 03:46:35 PM

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The earlier you transition, the better your chances of successfully living stealth at some point in your life. Especially if you didn't have to change your name. Sure, there's a danger that someone will figure it out. But that doesn't mean it will actually happen.

I think there might be confusion about what "stealth" means. I understand it to mean that you live as your true gender without divulging your trans status/past. The term therefore refers to an intention, a way of living, not a risk-free life in which no one knows or could possibly know about your past. In this usage, "stealth" refers to how YOU live, not whether other people can find out about you. Because someone pretty much always can, if he or she digs enough. Of course, if someone does find out and outs you, there's a problem.

I would be completely stealth if I could. I don't want people thinking that I'm not a real man or that I used to be a woman. Ugh. I didn't change my gender. That's always been male.

But to be truly stealth, I would have to cut off all of my old friends and all of my new trans friends. I would have to stop attending the few trans groups that I still attend. These are tacit admissions to my trans status. So I consider myself semi-stealth.

Quote from: TheCG on April 13, 2010, 03:50:52 PM
I have lived totally stealth for the past 20 years with only my wife knowing my past. She knew from the very beginning about my transition as I had been living full time for over 10 years when we first met. Now that we are in the midst of a nasty divorce, she seems to decide to "tell all" to everyone with her, of course, being in the dark about it all the time. This makes her look like a big time victim and me being nothing short of pure evil.

Tell me, people, do you really think it possible to live with someone for almost 20 years and not know?

It does seem hard to believe, but Billy Tipton might have pulled it off, for shorter periods of time, with some of his relationships. And he hadn't had surgery or, from what I understand, hormones. I've also read accounts of other relationships, mostly in the nineteenth century, in which the wife says that she didn't know.

Non-op and non-hormonal. Twenty years like that, in these enlightened and information-rich times? That would take a lot of doing and a lot of luck. It seems improbable.

Your circumstances are quite different; you're on T. But you wrote that you only started T a few years ago. Surely she would have noticed that you suddenly started changing...

However, you have to remember that transsexuals have a long history of being seen as deceptive. It's what lots of people automatically assume about us. Even the term "stealth" implies deception, doesn't it? And people tend to want to believe the first statement they hear about an event. If your wife is the one putting out the initial report about you, you have to work harder to change people's minds. And because you are trans, logic and evidence and reason (oh, my) won't necessarily be enough.

With that said, I get what you're saying about stealth, and I hope your life improves. I'm going through a non-nasty divorce, but it's not without its bumps. So I can only imagine what yours is like. Hang in there, CG.
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GnomeKid

I don't think its something I'll generally announce, but I certainly won't let it become a deep "dark" secret or anything.  That seems stressful.
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Nathan.

Quote from: GnomeKid on April 14, 2010, 01:19:32 AM
I don't think its something I'll generally announce, but I certainly won't let it become a deep "dark" secret or anything.  That seems stressful.

Thats exactly how I feel about it too.
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Aussie Jay

As above - I'm not going to go out of my way to tell people I'm trans but should it arise I am happy to discuss my past respectfully.. I'm not going to be telling people willy nilly on the street or those out for a bit of goss!

I truly like the fact that there is always going to be 'something' about me that makes me just that little bit different from cis males. I enjoyed my previous queer identity and I don't plan on losing the one I am currently developing anytime soon!

I like both the feminine and masculine parts of my personality - obviously to transition I enjoy the masculine parts more so! And I like to be treated as the man I have always felt like.. But I can also appreciate the past 25 odd years of being socialised and treated as female and what that has given me-sensitivity and other characteristics of my personality that I cherish..

To attempt to live completely stealth as someone put before would mean shutting out those values and traits, and shutting out old friends and some new ones I have now. I am not prepared to do this so as I said in the beginning - I'm not going to shout it from the rooftops, but when questioned I will not run from my past or deny the person I was - as unhappy and misunderstood as 'she' was and felt, it was still me on the inside...

Jay


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Miniar

Quote from: GnomeKid on April 14, 2010, 01:19:32 AM
I don't think its something I'll generally announce, but I certainly won't let it become a deep "dark" secret or anything.  That seems stressful.

Exactly.

Not gonna shake hands with every person I meet and go "Hai, I'm Miniar, I was born with female genitalia." that would just be ridiculous.
It's essentially like someone shaking your hand and going "Hey, I'm Jack, I'm allergic to asparagus." when no asparagus is anywhere remotely within sight or reach.

But, if situations arise within which referring to my past is relevant, of course I will.

It's a part of my life. It's part of who I am and why I am who I am. It's not a secret. And it's nothing to be ashamed of.
I'm not gonna allow it to become something "bad" when all it is is just "something factual".



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Martin

Quote from: Miniar on April 14, 2010, 09:06:03 AM
Exactly.

Not gonna shake hands with every person I meet and go "Hai, I'm Miniar, I was born with female genitalia." that would just be ridiculous.
It's essentially like someone shaking your hand and going "Hey, I'm Jack, I'm allergic to asparagus." when no asparagus is anywhere remotely within sight or reach.

But, if situations arise within which referring to my past is relevant, of course I will.

It's a part of my life. It's part of who I am and why I am who I am. It's not a secret. And it's nothing to be ashamed of.
I'm not gonna allow it to become something "bad" when all it is is just "something factual".

I'm not really remotely close to this being something that's an issue for me since I'm pre-transition, but I pretty much agree with this. I don't think I'll want to cut myself up from friends and people I know now, so I probably won't really be completely stealth in most groups, but I don't plan to go around announcing it to every new acquaintance.
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LordKAT

The question was if you could go stealth with no questions. That no question part is what would lead me to say yes. If no one questioned my gender, I would go stealth.

I know that isn't possible which then changes the answer a bit. I don't want to be open to anyone, I just know I can't be total stealth. I fought to hard to be me, I don't want to be ostracized for being someone else. I feel that it is my life and private. I have felt that way about most things in my life, I see no reason to be different about this one. It just leads to trouble, at least it does here.

As to the shame thing, it is shame of having had to live in female roles and I still find the anger that came from that buried in my memory and eager to rise when I hear the comments of how I'm not a real man or such. I don't need the anger and depression that goes with it.

I may be dealing with that wrongly but for now it is how I feel.
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Arch

Quote from: LordKAT on April 14, 2010, 10:05:26 AM
The question was if you could go stealth with no questions.

True. Easy to forget this little detail. ::)
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Miniar

Even without questions I'd rather stick to my previous answer.
Mostly for the sake of my own comfort with myself.

But, I think, also, in part, because it's something that'd help all of us.





"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Aussie Jay

Agreed. Even with no questions this is my identity.. This is me. I like who I am and who I am becoming. And acknowledging that past is part of my present. I am definitely not ashamed of who I am or was.

Wouldn't change a thing if it would mean existing as a different person today.

But I can appreciate that way of thinking is not for everyone. So for the OP my answer is no.

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Christo

I dont advertise my trans past but I dont hide it either.  if somebody asked (it hasnt happened yet) I'd tell 'em & everythin would be cool.  8) 8) 8)

at work everybody knows me as what I am, a dude.  there's no need 4 them 2 know anythin else.  I'm there 2 work, thats it.  my trans past is none of their business.

some of my close friends know 'bout my trans past but to them I'm just another dude. no biggie.  :D :D :D

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