I can't win

[jimmymot]

It is more a case of the simple fact that perception is always a little bit behind so even if existence is self evident, we will never experience it as it is.
Thus, all we see is always gone before we see it.
Including the self.

That and the fact that "I" as a person, as a being, am too close to myself to view myself objectively, and others are too removed from me to view me accurately, ultimately results in the person "me" not only being gone before it is perceived, but it can never be perceived accurately. "I" am but an idea, one that has limited basis in reality even, that is, even if we presume reality exists.

Oh, well I completely agree with that. In fact, I used to trip on it so much I got excessively nihilistic about all pursuits, including that of gender. It wasn't until I got into science, particularly mathematics, that I began to understand that even though there is no evidence we exist outside our minds at all, there are still ways to verify what the mind perceives as being truth, even if the question of consciousness dictates that the truth cannot be 100% absolute.

An interesting example to me is video recorders, for although a recording still only captures things within the limit of our perception, it does reveal that reality, despite being subjective, has some consistent properties that the rational mind can perceive.       

[GothTranzboi]

I don't Pass very often as fully male. I think people are just not sure what I am and don't want to ask. However my ID is from three years ago. before I came out, so even though I'm in a sort of genderless state, it looks nothing like me.

Going back home to visit the parentals though, I had no eyeliner on was tired frumpy and wearing a non discript hoodie and jeans and I was bound.

The guy who makes sure you arn't getting on the plane under someone elses ID looks at mine, looks at me, looks at it again and goes...

"Well that wasn't what I was expecting....could have fooled me." more to himself then me. Looking back I wish I'd said something.

[Miniar]

Oh, well I completely agree with that. In fact, I used to trip on it so much I got excessively nihilistic about all pursuits, including that of gender. It wasn't until I got into science, particularly mathematics, that I began to understand that even though there is no evidence we exist outside our minds at all, there are still ways to verify what the mind perceives as being truth, even if the question of consciousness dictates that the truth cannot be 100% absolute.

An interesting example to me is video recorders, for although a recording still only captures things within the limit of our perception, it does reveal that reality, despite being subjective, has some consistent properties that the rational mind can perceive.     

Unless the recording's perception is equally subjective and flaws.

I have solved it differently. I simply work under "conscious operating assumptions". That is to say, I consciously decide to operate as if reality is real since if it is real, then I'm right to treat it as such, if it's not real then either it has a function that I won't realize by treating it as not real, and there's also the possibility of treating it as not real leading to enlightenment and subsequent blinking out of existence, and I'm just not ready to put away the legos yet.
So.. meh.. I treat it as real for now.

[LordKAT]

Unless the recording's perception is equally subjective and flaws.

I have solved it differently. I simply work under "conscious operating assumptions". That is to say, I consciously decide to operate as if reality is real since if it is real, then I'm right to treat it as such, if it's not real then either it has a function that I won't realize by treating it as not real, and there's also the possibility of treating it as not real leading to enlightenment and subsequent blinking out of existence, and I'm just not ready to put away the legos yet.
So.. meh.. I treat it as real for now.

This has been more my way of thinking since my search for god ended with nothing.  Long time past now.

[jimmymot]

Unless the recording's perception is equally subjective and flaws.

I have solved it differently. I simply work under "conscious operating assumptions". That is to say, I consciously decide to operate as if reality is real since if it is real, then I'm right to treat it as such, if it's not real then either it has a function that I won't realize by treating it as not real, and there's also the possibility of treating it as not real leading to enlightenment and subsequent blinking out of existence, and I'm just not ready to put away the legos yet.
So.. meh.. I treat it as real for now.

I do the same, exist on the presumption that existence is real, only I've resigned to the belief that there is no true
enlightenment in the sense of transcendence. I guess the difference would be that I see consciousness as limited by the mind only as the result of the way the brain functions .

By proposing one could blink themselves out of existence, are you suggesting you discount the aspect of biology as part of the illusion of "reality"?

I haven't encountered someone so committed to metaphysics before! its interesting.

[Miniar]

I do the same, exist on the presumption that existence is real, only I've resigned to the belief that there is no true
enlightenment in the sense of transcendence. I guess the difference would be that I see consciousness as limited by the mind only as the result of the way the brain functions .

By proposing one could blink themselves out of existence, are you suggesting you discount the aspect of biology as part of the illusion of "reality"?

I haven't encountered someone so committed to metaphysics before! its interesting.

If all reality is an illusion, then this is illusionary as well.
But my inability to alter that illusion via conscious decision to do so means I'll just go with it. *shrug*

I don't really feel committed to "anything", physics or metaphysics or pie!

... well... maybe the pie...

[BunnyBee]

I am committed to pie...  mmmm...

[Jamie-o]

I'm working on it. Just waiting on a paycheck so I can get my license un-suspended.  It's turning into a huge expensive hassle.  4 years ago I sold my car before I moved to Chicago, and with all the craziness of packing and selling it I completely forgot about a $5 parking ticket I got on the last day I owned the car.  Didn't know about it till I tried to renew my licence, and was told It was suspended till I pay over $200.

Have you tried getting a VT license?  I managed to get a WI driver's license despite having unpaid parking tickets in IL.  (I didn't even remember them until I applied for a loan and discovered they had turned me over to a collections agency.  )

[kyle_lawrence]

Have you tried getting a VT license?  I managed to get a WI driver's license despite having unpaid parking tickets in IL.  (I didn't even remember them until I applied for a loan and discovered they had turned me over to a collections agency.  )

I am trying to get a VT License. Unfortunately the parking ticket and fines are from VT, before I moved to Chicago.  I never drove in IL at all.