Okay, I'm going to have a go at this, because I've been watching this debate a little while and I'm in one of my moods.
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PM
LOL it wasn't a matter of falling for it, I am sharing my experience. I live in holand where being transgender is very common and very well looked in to. You could say in this subject we have the best technology and technics.
First of all, Holland is a region in the Netherlands, if you're referring to just that region, then fair enough, but most Dutch people or people living in the Netherlands do not refer to the Netherlands as Holland.
Secondly, there are only two types of available information on transgender people in the Netherland,
One refers to a recent call for (and from what I can read, successful) repeal of an older law that required transgender people in the Netherlands to have undergone both hormone therapy as well as sexual reassignment surgery before they could change their documents.
The other refers to "the Dutch protocol" which is the practice of using hormone blockers to delay puberty from the age of 10-13 to the age of 16. The Dutch protocol is less than 10 years old.
If you are honest about having undergone the Dutch protocol then it is very unlikely that you're more than approximately 20 years old. How old are your kids?
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PMThe reason "Oprah" or anybody else doesn't know about this is because I don't want them too.
The reference to Oprah is not to you specifically but to the technologies available.
Previously infertile people would be interviewed left and right, not necessarily trans ones.
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PMI am perceived as a biological male, no one knows I am who I am but this forum and my family. Honestly that really was a stupid statement, do you know how many transgendered people there are out there? And only probably 1 in 20 people are open about it. The rest just want to move on with there life as if that's how they were born to be.
The statement is not stupid as it doesn't refer to you specifically but to the medical advances you're stating have happened.
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PMFor those of you that think this isn't possible.. They have regrown a man's penis back with stem cells, made infertile men fertile again by recreating the insides of their testes and they have grown penis' on female mice.
Now, here's where my google-fu will prove you wrong.
"
Scientists Grow World's First Engineered Urethra, Created From Patients' Cells"
This article was posted last March.
March, 2011. That is less than 8 months ago.
It's been less than 8 months since doctors were, for the first time in human history, able to grow a human urethra (just one tiny part of the complicated organ that is the penis) from stem cells. Therefore, it's utterly and completely impossible that they've been able to grow a complete penis from stem cells because a complete penis contains a urethra and they've only been able to create that part thus far.
Stem Cells used in the downstairs department have thus far been used only by a handfull of doctors in the form of penis enlargement (girth, not length) methods where they take fat from your body, load it with stem cells, and inject it into the site where they want growth, penis for men, breasts for women. Or so the theory goes.
There's no scientific data on research on this matter that looks remotely reliable. Therefore, this is yet again another sign you're lying about lab-grown penises.
That leaves the testicles. Have they restored fertility to human beings through regenerating the internal parts of testicles with stem cells? Short answer is no. Or at the very least, if they have, then no one knows about it as no documented research on the matter is available anywhere. What they have however done is restored fertility to mice by creating sperm generating cells from stem cells and then injecting them into the already fully formed testicles of infertile male mice.
[urlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/08/infertility-stem-cells-sperm-mice_n_919622.html]"Infertility Treatment Advances Through Stem Cell Science"[/url] is an article about this. You know when it was published? Last August.
This means that this scientific break through, the first ever made in this manner, on MICE, was accomplished less than three months ago. (Three months, which means that it's still a good 3-10 years before we see any human application what so ever.)
So here again is uncontroversial evidence that you're lying.
There is actually however one truth. A scientist has been able to grow an entire penis in a lab.
Not on a female mouse however, nor was it human.
It was a rabbit's penis.
A group of scientists has been working on this for over 20 years now actually and only in 2009 were they able to grow a functioning replacement for a male rabbit who's penis had been removed allowing it to mate normally again.
"Lab-grown penis helps rabbits mate ... like rabbits" and to quote the article "Atala is hoping the procedure will work with people, perhaps starting with adult men who have had damage to their organs."
Hoping, will, starting with.
Unless they perfected the technique in two weeks and told no-one, except you, this is not available to human beings, let alone transgender ones, at this time.
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PMThey can also switch off you're foxl2 gene and it starts producing testosterone instead of estrogen and the ovaries become testes. This is why I no longer need testosterone treatment.
Nope, they can't.
Let me explain why they can't by once again linking you to a piece of news.
"One gene stops ovaries from turning into testes"This is an article from 2009 where it is described how it was possible to turn the ovaries of mice into testicles.
Step one was to "develop a strain of genetically engineered mice, whose copies of FOXL2 could be deleted with the drug tamoxifen."
Note the word "could" as well as the word "develop" and the term "genetically engineered".
Unless you're a genetically engineered strain of human who's specifically been altered to make it possible to turn of your FOSL2 gene, you're not being honest with this either.
It is not currently possible to turn off the human FOXL2 gene.
Quote from: maxipark on October 24, 2011, 11:38:54 PMI had no idea people in other countries were so ignorant and un informed. Wow.
Calling people ignorant and uninformed while having no scientific basis to back up your claims is impolite at best.
We here make it our business to read every article of every scientific breakthrough that could benefit us in our transition and as such we are generally better informed on these subjects than other laypersons.
I'd hardly call it ignorant.
If you have any links to any information however that'll back up your claims and trump the links provided I'll happily admit that I was uninformed on this issue, but as no such links have turned up even with the repeated calls for them I'm not holding my breath.
