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Started by Legora, May 25, 2010, 03:47:08 AM

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Legora

Quote from: Cowboi on May 26, 2010, 02:37:25 PM
Okay I am a little lost on what the hell is going on in this thread. Legora, are you someone who identifies/is trans in any way or are you someone who's gender identity matches their outward/physical gender at birth?

From what I've picked up it seems like you are not trans, but before I go forward with anything I'm thinking I'd like to know the answer to that question. There are things that obviously would need to be explained for someone who does not have the experience at all as opposed to a trans person who is on one side trying to learn about the opposite end of the spectrum.

Eh, yeah, sorry.  I'm male.  I mean, biologically and gendery.  I'm uh... occasionally told that I can be kinda effeminate though... if that helps...

But I think I do have a pretty firm understanding of the basics of what transsexuality is. If that's what you mean.

Quote from: SilverFang on May 26, 2010, 02:55:52 PM
Well, I'm FTM and that never happened to me. The only certain thing is probably overwhelming discomfort. And perhaps being misunderstood.

God ->-bleeped-<-ing dammit!  Um... sorry.  I'm new, and I got the terminology confused.  Again.  This isn't the first time...

I meant to refer to people born genetically male who consider themselves women.  Dammit... this keeps happening...
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Alyssa M.

I thought it was pretty clear you meant "MTF." Heck, I used to do the same thing, but mostly because I'm just a little bit dyslexic, expecially when it comes to acronyms or numbers.

And yes, having short hair always sucked. I don't remember any specific experience, since it was short from as long as I could remember, but I always resisted going to the barber, so I tended to have stupid looking floppy hair, and I was always really jealous of my sisters' long hair -- and, of course, many other things they got do do or have or experience or be.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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kyril

Quote from: Legora on May 26, 2010, 10:46:02 AM
Eh... well, it's kind of hard to explain... the story isn't centered around the character being transsexual, and I haven't even settled on a gender or name or anything for the main character.  I was originally thinking of the person being "MtF", but I'm not sure anymore.

...

Okay, where was I?  Right, all I know is that the story will deal with gender issues and I thought that one way to use this was by having the main character be transsexual.

Alright. I get where you're going with this, but the questions I asked are really relevant - not just to us telling you what experiences your character might have had, but also to how the story will unfold, and even what kind of story you'll be able to tell. "Gender issues" look very different through the eyes of a gay trans man than through the eyes of a straight trans woman, just to pick two possibilities out of the spectrum.


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Legora

Quote from: kyril on May 26, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Alright. I get where you're going with this, but the questions I asked are really relevant - not just to us telling you what experiences your character might have had, but also to how the story will unfold, and even what kind of story you'll be able to tell. "Gender issues" look very different through the eyes of a gay trans man than through the eyes of a straight trans woman, just to pick two possibilities out of the spectrum.

Well... okay, this is gonna sound complicated, but bare with me.  So firstly, I was influenced by a few different sources.  I always liked those short stories where someone becomes obsessed with one thing to a creepy degree (Bernice, The Hell of Mirrors, The Yellow Wallpaper, etc).  Then, I heard from a friend that she was kind of scared of flowers, and it got me thinking.

Okay, long story short, the idea for the story is about some kid is talking about their mother.  She is obsessed with flowers to an unhealthy degree, collecting them and arranging them throughout the house and whatnot.  But eventually she gets sick, and as her disease progresses, so does her mania.  She begins hiding flowers throughout the house, dissecting them, creepy stuff like that.

Anywho, so since most good stories game some kind of theme/symbolism to them, I wanted to add some of that to it.  So flowers are kind of symbolic of femininity and such, and I'd like to work in stuff about gender roles and blah blah stuff, because that's been on my mind recently (hence why I'm here).  I was hoping to work transsexuality into it somewhere, but right now I'm currently imagining the narrator (the child), as a heterosexual male, who's like... uncomfortable around femininity in the present day partly because his mother was forcing all of this stuff on him.  Or something.  It's still pretty early in the the making process.

I'm tired, so I apologize if anything above doesn't make much sense.
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KaleisGood4U

Quote from: Legora on May 26, 2010, 12:31:58 PM
Yeah, ugh... so complicated.  For example there's that condition where a woman has a Y chromosome, but looks completely female.  I think it's a different condition that just being intersexed.  I knew the name of it a while ago.  I think it's the one that that angry Republican lady has.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Er, anywho... the point being that... I don't know how to say this exactly... but for someone like me who identifies with their biological sex (my mom had amniocentesis, so I do indeed know that I'm XY), it's kinda anxiety inducing to talk about anything like this because it's all SOOO personal and serious that if I were to ignorantly use the wrong terminology, I'm kinda scared that I'll really offend someone...  :embarrassed:

It's called Klinefelter's Syndrome and it is indeed a form of intersexuality, even though the external genitalia appear female, the individual is indeed XXY.

/boringmedicalguy
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Legora

Quote from: KaleisGood4U on May 26, 2010, 09:49:03 PM
It's called Klinefelter's Syndrome and it is indeed a form of intersexuality, even though the external genitalia appear female, the individual is indeed XXY.

/boringmedicalguy

Yeah, I knew about that one, but I looked it up and I was actually thinking of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome".
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Muffin

In the beginning, the baby in the womb possesses the physical characteristics of both female and male children. For the first seven to ten weeks of life, everyone has female and male internal sex organs. Then, at round about week ten, one set of the organs predominates over the other and the baby takes on the physical sex of either girl or boy.
In most cases, this comes about quite simply. At the point of conception, the chromosome structure of the baby is decided: if the chromosomes are XX, then the baby is genetically female; if they are XY, then the baby is genetically male. It is the Y chromosome that instructs the babies body to produce chemicals called androgens, which diminish the female sex organs and stimulate growth of the male ones. So, at about twelve weeks old, the baby has either developed ovaries or testes: it is, at that point, biologically either a girl or a boy. And as the baby develops, so external sex organs develop to match the internal ones, and baby girls develop a womb, vagina and clitoris, while baby boys develop testes, penis, scrotum and prostate gland.

It all sounds so simple: and in 99 percent of cases, it is just as simple as that. But not always. Some babies are conceived with a syndrome called "Klinefelter`s Syndrome", in which their genetic structure is XXY A surprisingly high number of people - perhaps one in 400 - have this ambiguous genetic sexuality. As well, about one in 2,500 girls is born with "Turner's Syndrome", in which one X chromosome is absent or imperfect, so that the ovaries do not develop, although the external sex organs are quite normal.

The development of male external sex organs depends on the baby's body producing male hormones, especially one called testosterone. Some babies who are genetically male, therefore, may suffer from a syndrome known as "testicular feminisationn" in which, although their body produces normal amounts of testosterone, it does not trigger off the correct development of external sex organs: such children will be genetically male, but their appearance at birth will be female, and their genetic sex may not be discovered until they fail to menstruate at puberty.

Other babies which are genetically female may have "congenital adrenal hyperplasia", a syndrome in which their adrenal glands produce large amounts of hormones similar to testosterone. At birth, the external sex organs of these children will look ambiguous, or perhaps even male, although they are genetically female, usually with normally developed ovaries. A similar syndrome has occurred in the babies of some women who took synthetic forms of the hormone progesterone during pregnancy, which turned out to have similar effects to male hormones. Other girls may be born with a condition known as "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" in which they actually have an XY genetic structure but develop as normal girls because they are not sensitive to the male hormones which the body produces.

Just to make things more complicated, recent medical research has indicated that areas of the brain are affected by hormone development while the baby is in the womb, and that these developments influence the way in which the person will prefer to act all of their lives. Such research indicates that, irrespective of their genetic sex and their internal and external sex organs, people with a female brain development will prefer female play and activities and people with a male brain development will prefer male play and activities.

So even from the point of conception, the commonest question asked about a new baby - "Is it a boy or a girl?" may not have quite such an easy answer as at first appears. We have to recognise the existence of four ways of describing the baby's sex - genetic sex; biological sex according to internal sex organs; biological sex according to external sex organs; and brain sex. And although, in most cases, all four of these ways match the same description - male or female -there are ample cases where they do not.

The New Scientist of 18th January 1992 carried an article about the use of "sex-tests" at the Olympic Games. Since 1968 the International Olympic Committee has tested the sex of competitors by taking a smear from the inside of their cheek {the Buccal Smear test) and analysing its genetic structure. Only a conventional XX result was accepted as evidence of female status. Obviously, this meant that women either with Turner's Syndrome, or with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, were defined as being men and were excluded. The personal emotional suffering and professional humiliation which this caused to women who had never been regarded before as anything else other than female can be imagined As one such athlete, the Spanish hurdler Mario Patino, put it, "In the eyes of God and medicine I am a woman." Campaigners against this practice have now won agreement from the International Olympic Committee that, from 1992 onwards, this test will be dropped.

Source: New Scientist18th January 1992, p.14
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pebbles

Relevant information. If your all interested in sexual gonadal development do you guys wanna see some slides from my biology course?

It's Developmental biology and I have to memorise and expand upon this and the other 16 lectures before it for my exam later today XD
http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/521055aa517.pdf
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Legora

Quote from: Muffin on May 26, 2010, 11:26:56 PM
The New Scientist of 18th January 1992 carried an article about the use of "sex-tests" at the Olympic Games. Since 1968 the International Olympic Committee has tested the sex of competitors by taking a smear from the inside of their cheek {the Buccal Smear test) and analysing its genetic structure. Only a conventional XX result was accepted as evidence of female status. Obviously, this meant that women either with Turner's Syndrome, or with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, were defined as being men and were excluded. The personal emotional suffering and professional humiliation which this caused to women who had never been regarded before as anything else other than female can be imagined As one such athlete, the Spanish hurdler Mario Patino, put it, "In the eyes of God and medicine I am a woman." Campaigners against this practice have now won agreement from the International Olympic Committee that, from 1992 onwards, this test will be dropped.

Source: New Scientist18th January 1992, p.14

Actually, I'm not entirely sure about that last part.  I heard that recently the Olympics stopped giving female athletes sex tests for this very reason (ironically, I think they still give men these tests).  Although it's pretty much a moot point because in order to qualify for the Olympics you need to win several lower competitions that probably will have genetic testing stuff.  Also, I think the article was referencing "Maria" Patino.  But I'm off topic...

Quote from: pebbles on May 27, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
Relevant information. If your all interested in sexual gonadal development do you guys wanna see some slides from my biology course?

It's Developmental biology and I have to memorise and expand upon this and the other 16 lectures before it for my exam later today XD
http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/521055aa517.pdf

Huh!  I didn't get a chance to pour over the whole thing, but there's some interesting stuff there.  Although to be completely honest, most of it went right over my head, hehe... I can't believe you have to memorize the whole thing!   :o
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