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Started by kyle_lawrence, May 30, 2010, 02:00:19 PM

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Jeatyn

I made an entire new thread once in the PMS section about some old woman I worked with getting all up in my face about unloading a van when it was "mens work"

Regardless of me being trans, I failed to see how me...the strongest one of the lot...should somehow leave all the unloading to the two scrawny 16 year old boys.

People baffle me
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Espenoah

I totally get the pet name thing. Try having the nickname "Pinkie" from your parents. Bleh. :P

I have two things that get me really angry though. I can contain it, but it frustrates me.
The first is when runs up ahead of me to open the door for me. Seriously, even when I'm in girl mode (I'm not completely out yet), do I look like the kind of chick that needs your gentlemanly charm? Ugh.
The second is when my dad calls me beautiful. Which is ALL THE TIME. It's flattering that you think I look good, but here I am wearing all guys clothes, trying my hardest to look masculine, and you use the least masculine adjective you can think of. On top of that, I'm out to you. Please, I'm begging you, use some other word.
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Elijah3291

Quote from: Espenoah on May 30, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
I totally get the pet name thing. Try having the nickname "Pinkie" from your parents. Bleh. :P


The second is when my dad calls me beautiful. Which is ALL THE TIME. It's flattering that you think I look good, but here I am wearing all guys clothes, trying my hardest to look masculine, and you use the least masculine adjective you can think of. On top of that, I'm out to you. Please, I'm begging you, use some other word.

I think men can be beautiful.. My boyfriend is beautiful.

try to think of it in a masculine way, may make you feel better
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Espenoah

Quote from: Elijah on May 30, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
I think men can be beautiful.. My boyfriend is beautiful.

try to think of it in a masculine way, may make you feel better

I could try, but he often pairs with "sweetie" or "honey," or worse... "You are a beautiful young lady."

But that is good advice otherwise. I'll try it when I can. :3
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Elijah3291

Quote from: Espenoah on May 30, 2010, 08:11:00 PM
I could try, but he often pairs with "sweetie" or "honey," or worse... "You are a beautiful young lady."

But that is good advice otherwise. I'll try it when I can. :3

ya that sucks.. but try it when you can.
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Farm Boy

Quote from: Espenoah on May 30, 2010, 08:01:47 PMI have two things that get me really angry though. I can contain it, but it frustrates me.
The first is when runs up ahead of me to open the door for me. Seriously, even when I'm in girl mode (I'm not completely out yet), do I look like the kind of chick that needs your gentlemanly charm? Ugh.
The second is when my dad calls me beautiful. Which is ALL THE TIME. It's flattering that you think I look good, but here I am wearing all guys clothes, trying my hardest to look masculine, and you use the least masculine adjective you can think of. On top of that, I'm out to you. Please, I'm begging you, use some other word.

Those are some other ones that bug me.  I don't usually get somebody running up ahead, I usually get someone who is already ahead and then stands there with the door open for an unnecessarily long time.  I just want to say "Shut the door already!  Do you really think I don't know how to work it?"  I'm all for being polite and I hold the door for anybody who is a few feet behind me, but I don't see the point standing there holding it because you can see someone approaching the building from the parking lot...

I also get the "pretty" and "beautiful" comments from my family.  It doesn't really offend me so much as it has no effect on me, though.  I know it's meant to be a compliment, but I don't want to be seen as beautiful, (as a female, which is how they mean it) so it's really just kind of meaningless.
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aydan_boy

My mum also calls me beautiful, cute, pretty as well. How can you be cute and pretty in a male sense? The other day she started hinting at the fact that the reason i was trans was cuz my female body didn't reach my high expectations. Thanks mom.

Though I'm only partially out at school my teacher still refuses to let me lift things, and always sends all the boys to carry things. He'd rather have the anorexic, not-allowed-to-do-gym boy, as well as the other scrawny bio males carry tables and chairs down the stairs, when i have offered, and am perfectly capable, way more than some of them, seeing as i actually have some amount of upper body strength.
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Espenoah

Nomnom Bill Kaulitz. I love that man.

But generally, parents use "beautiful," "cute," and "pretty" with daughters. With boys it's "handsome" or "lookin' good, champ!" And then when the see Bill Kaulitz, they just kinda look at him funny...or at least that's what my parents do. XD
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Crow

(I always feel horribly guilty posting here because I'm not technically FtM, but I so very often feel like I have input/can relate. *crawls out of zir lurker-hole*)

On the subject of pet-names: For some mysterious reason, aboutbthe time I figured out I was trans, the entire world suddenly decided that "Girl" would be a fantastic nickname/pet-name/way of addressing me. Seriously, people only very rarely did so before, but sometime last fall (after I figured out my gender identity, but before I came out to my family), people (most notably my mom) suddenly came to the conclusion that "girl" is a good nickname for me.

I'm not just talking about, "Yeah, Diane is that girl over there." I'm talking about directly, to-my-face, "What's up, Girl?" "Girl, what are you talking about?" "You're crazy, Girl!"

The most bizzare part? This was never even IN my mom's vocabulary before, but now it's a frequent occurance! Where this unfortunately-timed change of vocabulary came from, I don't quite know, but it's a surefire way to make me cringe.

(I also have some accquaintances who know about and are generally okay with my genderqueer-ness but for some inexplicable reason call me "girl." But at least for them it seems to be a compulsive part of their vocabulary, not an entirely new development.)
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Espenoah

Quote from: Crow on May 30, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
The most bizzare part? This was never even IN my mom's vocabulary before, but now it's a frequent occurance! Where this unfortunately-timed change of vocabulary came from, I don't quite know, but it's a surefire way to make me cringe.

Well, I dunno about your mom, but I know my vocabulary changes all the time. "Cool" phrases come and go rather frequently for me. Has she done that with any other words that you just didn't think about before?
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Crow

Quote from: Espenoah on May 30, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
Well, I dunno about your mom, but I know my vocabulary changes all the time. "Cool" phrases come and go rather frequently for me. Has she done that with any other words that you just didn't think about before?

That's a distinct possibility-- I know most people (myself included) pick up new phrases out of the blue from time to time. It's not like she specifically started doing it to spite me or something. However, the timing was rather unfortunate, to say the least. x3
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kyril

I guess I'm lucky on the pet name thing. The friends I'm out to now compulsively "dude" and "man" me, which makes me feel sort of self-conscious when they do it in front of my husband, but it definitely could be worse. (Like yesterday, walking down the street with said husband who's still not cool with the trans thing or really aware that I'm trying to pass, getting called "gentlemen" and "boys" and "guys" by every panhandler and signature-gatherer we walked past. Awkward!)

Anyway, nobody had girl pet names for me to begin with. I don't think anyone would have dared. My husband calls me by my name or "Hey," my dad calls me by my name or "Kid," and my friends call me by whichever of my many names or pseudonyms they know me by. And I can only recall one person in my life (an ex) ever calling me "beautiful" while fully clothed - mostly from my husband I just get "You look good." Sometimes it's "I like that shirt, I'm going to steal it the next time you take it off," which I take as a compliment :)


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Charles321

ME and my friends like to be rough and punch each other and when they hit me, people will say (politely cause they don't understand) hey, you can't hit a girl. I flip out on them. I tell them never to say that again. THAt's sexist anyways. ALso at My friends house his parents like to treat me like a FEMALE guest like  saying here's the to seats for the ladies while the guys got stools. AND they don't let him and his bro be tough with me cause 'Im a girl' makes me want to throw up. ANd when I say to some of my friends about treating me like a girl they say 'why? YOU are a girl' I flip out on them too.
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Devin87

I made my priest friend mad once (and this was in my "try to be girly" stage, too) because I was taking him out to lunch and he decided to hold the first door for me and he said "ladies first" so I rushed in and grabbed the next door and held it wide open for him and said "ladies first".  He just made that "annoyed" sound in his throat and grabbed the door way over my head (he's a giant) and made me go in first.  I never liked doors being held open for me unless I'm carrying something.  There's this guy in my karate class who will hold a door open and try to insist I go first even when it means I have to squeeze past him to get out.  It makes no sense.

I also hate anything that implies I'm weak and always have.  I'm not sure whether it has more to do with being trans or being overweight and so being perceived as being out of shape and incapable of anything physical, but I've always HATED anyone or anything implying I'm a weak link.  I will literally hurt myself trying not to show weakness.  I've sprained muscles before and just kept on at the sport I was playing without letting anyone know.  I've worn boots that were cutting my ankle so bad I almost needed stitches and didn't let anyone know I needed to stop marching.  Just the other last week at work I tore a huge chunk of skin off my finger right in front of the manager and was bleeding everywhere and I didn't even make a face because I didn't want him to know and send me to first aid.  I got POed at my karate instructor the other night because it was like 100 degrees in the room and I was the only one he asked if I was ok and if I could keep going.  It gets dumb sometimes, but it just makes me so mad.  I hate being the weak/slow/inadaquate one.
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Jamie-o

The things that set me off, for the most part, aren't gender related.  Anything that implies I'm not telling the truth, even if it's just a joke.  Saying that something is, "not allowed", even as a joke.  Anything that gives the impression that someone is giving me orders, rather than asking me politely to do something.

When I was younger it used to annoy the heck out of me when teachers would ask for "a strong young man" to carry heavy objects, especially back in the days when I was bigger and stronger than most of the boys in my class.  ::)  I was always the first to volunteer.
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kyril

Quote from: Devin87 on May 30, 2010, 10:01:52 PM
I've always HATED anyone or anything implying I'm a weak link.  I will literally hurt myself trying not to show weakness.  I've sprained muscles before and just kept on at the sport I was playing without letting anyone know.  I've worn boots that were cutting my ankle so bad I almost needed stitches and didn't let anyone know I needed to stop marching.  Just the other last week at work I tore a huge chunk of skin off my finger right in front of the manager and was bleeding everywhere and I didn't even make a face because I didn't want him to know and send me to first aid.  I got POed at my karate instructor the other night because it was like 100 degrees in the room and I was the only one he asked if I was ok and if I could keep going.  It gets dumb sometimes, but it just makes me so mad.  I hate being the weak/slow/inadaquate one.
All of this.
Quote from: Jamie-o on May 30, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
Anything that implies I'm not telling the truth, even if it's just a joke.  Saying that something is, "not allowed", even as a joke.  Anything that gives the impression that someone is giving me orders, rather than asking me politely to do something.
This too.


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DRAIN

i hate this crap. today at work (and most days at work, my job is extremely misogynistic) they get a "man" to take heavy items to customer's cars. today i wasn't doing anything and instead of just get me to help the customer out, they got the guy to stop what he was doing to help. frustrating.

though a coworker said once that i have "the manly strength" so that made me happy  :D

the worst thing though, that makes me want to crawl in a hole and never come out, is "ladies". i am not, have never been, will never regardless of gender, BE A LADY. ugh. ma'am i'm used to, female pronouns i'm used to, but lady/ladies hell no.
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Vancha

My mother is very interested in the fact that I have high-functioning aspergers, so she is constantly doing research about the syndrome, seeing as she is simply interested in such things.  She, however, always looks up aspergers in girls specifically, and has before told me "But sometimes aspergers is expressed differently in girls!" when I said I don't possess all the traits.  It absolutely infuriated me.

Although, she's trying.  I don't blame her for it.  It's just that sometimes what she does annoys me, which is perfectly reasonable.  It even hurts me sometimes, but I try to see past it, and instead focus on their progress in accepting me and adjusting.

For instance, today we had a conversation over lunch about men and women, and I expressed some of my negative views of female bodies.  I have them because of my body, however; I am pansexual, although she doesn't necessarily know this.  She said "Well, you're certainly not heterosexual then."  I was actually sort of confused/shocked at first, because that's... unlike her to say.

My father used to call me "girl" until I told him I hated it, that I was not a girl.  He now calls me "man".  Sometimes it felt like he was just over-compensating, but now it's become more natural.

I love my parents.  I am very lucky.  They have done so much for me.  They slip up occasionally but I'm grateful for everything they've done.  It's not perfect, but it's definitely something.

On another note, pretty much any recognition of my female body, or assertion that I am female in any way, offends me.  Of course, I hate the classic "Hey, ladies" I get when eating out with my mother.  Although sometimes my father and brother get that, too, as they have long hair... I remember once, we all went out for dinner and we were addressed as "ladies", and my mother goes, "Wow, I'm the only one they got right."   :D
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LordKAT

My peeve is my mother tonight. She repeatedly called me by my female name when she knows that I had it legally changed over a year ago. That in front of a bunch of nurses. One saving grace was before she did that and my daughter needed a shot, she asked if I was ready for her to grab my hand and called me mom. The look on that nurses face was precious, it shocked her.
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